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    Mark Waugh complains of Queensland 'bias'

    http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...20FEB2005.html

    You ARE kidding, right?

    A player from NSW is complaining about selection bias?!?! Man, that is rich, particularly since whilst Mark Waugh went through some form struggles in the 90's, guys like Darren Lehmann, Marty Love, Brad Hodge, Stuart Law, etc. were cooling their heels. Didn't complain about any bias then, did he? Why? Because he was a beneficiary. Funny that.

    Oh and for the record, Mark, Allan Border was born in NSW and played at least his first season of Sheffield Shield cricket for them. Oopsie.

    I still can't believe I've read this. I feel dumber for having gotten all the way through it.
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    I do agree that MacGill was not given a fair shot, and did perform for Australia. He is still getting pushed to the side for other guys.

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    The examples he cites are valid ( Hopes Vs White being the most questionable ), but hardly constitutes systemic bias.

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    Well Hauritz got picked ahead of Stuey in India.
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    I'm not denying that there have been some strange selections of late but was the same allegation levelled at the selection panel (which was dominated by New South Welshmen at the time) when they picked Gavin Robertson on the tour to India in 1998? Nope.

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    This article is quite dodgy, MacGill the second best spinner in the world? So he's better than Murali now?
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    I had to give the noggin quite a scratching after that. Didn't quite make sense. Maybe he'd been drinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by )Swing(
    I had to give the noggin quite a scratching after that. Didn't quite make sense. Maybe he'd been drinking?
    Looks a bit like it from this picture:
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    I think its funny. So now NSW and Queensland have had complaints about being favoured, whos next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_
    Looks a bit like it from this picture:
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    heh, nodding off after a few too many pints. heh.

    I'd say Victoria are next. You know how many Victorians there've been in the last 10 years...*cough*

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    haha. what do you mean? we've been whinging for the past 10 years. its just that no-one else cares. in two weeks, paul reiffell and damien fleming should have both played 100 tests each.

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    mark waugh tells it like it is, doesn't seem to want to pull too many punches, doese he? he'd know andrew symonds pretty well, and says that his selection was "one of the worst decisions i'd seen for years". then says that hauritz "bowled as his figures suggested" in the mumbai test and after playing against james hopes, he "couldn't see him wearing australian colours". at least he's not afraid to say what he thinks, better than most cricket writers going around, pandering to the aussies all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...20FEB2005.html

    You ARE kidding, right?

    A player from NSW is complaining about selection bias?!?! Man, that is rich, particularly since whilst Mark Waugh went through some form struggles in the 90's, guys like Darren Lehmann, Marty Love, Brad Hodge, Stuart Law, etc. were cooling their heels. Didn't complain about any bias then, did he? Why? Because he was a beneficiary. Funny that.

    Oh and for the record, Mark, Allan Border was born in NSW and played at least his first season of Sheffield Shield cricket for them. Oopsie.

    I still can't believe I've read this. I feel dumber for having gotten all the way through it.
    So your saying he is wrong? The fact that he is a New South Welshman has nothing to do with this. He does not share the same opinions as the Australian selectors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    I still can't believe I've read this. I feel dumber for having gotten all the way through it.
    hmmm...verging on ripping off billy maddison there, aren't we?

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    Waugh was prattling on a bit, and it has to be said that his comments were a bit funny when you consider that so much of the country perceives that there is a strong NSW bias in the selection panel (whether there is or not).

    On Symonds, it was a 50/50 call. Symonds WAS in great form at the time, and there were many people interested in whether he could translate his one-day form to the test arena. However, the biggest person going in to bat for Symonds was Ponting, a Tasmanian. Katich was unlucky, but I can see why the selectors gave Symonds a go.

    When it comes to MacGill, I think that Waugh's way off-base - yes, it was absolutely ridiculous that Hauritz (who IMO is garbage) was able to play in front of both White and MacGill. However, I don't think this came down to state bias as much as it did a general anti-MacGill sentiment which goes back quite a few years at both team level and on the part of the selectors. There's no doubt he's the second-best spinner in Australia, and should be treated as such. I suppose you could argue for variation, but I would only really run with that if whomever was bowled in front of MacGill was at least of somewhat comparable ability.
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