Mark Waugh complains of Queensland 'bias'

Top_Cat · 20-02-2005, 01:17 AM

http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...20FEB2005.html

You ARE kidding, right?

A player from NSW is complaining about selection bias?!?! Man, that is rich, particularly since whilst Mark Waugh went through some form struggles in the 90's, guys like Darren Lehmann, Marty Love, Brad Hodge, Stuart Law, etc. were cooling their heels. Didn't complain about any bias then, did he? Why? Because he was a beneficiary. Funny that.

Oh and for the record, Mark, Allan Border was born in NSW and played at least his first season of Sheffield Shield cricket for them. Oopsie.

I still can't believe I've read this. I feel dumber for having gotten all the way through it.

shaka · 20-02-2005, 01:39 AM

I do agree that MacGill was not given a fair shot, and did perform for Australia. He is still getting pushed to the side for other guys.

telsor · 20-02-2005, 01:47 AM

The examples he cites are valid ( Hopes Vs White being the most questionable ), but hardly constitutes systemic bias.

Bookie · 20-02-2005, 02:03 AM

Well Hauritz got picked ahead of Stuey in India.

Top_Cat · 20-02-2005, 02:13 AM

I'm not denying that there have been some strange selections of late but was the same allegation levelled at the selection panel (which was dominated by New South Welshmen at the time) when they picked Gavin Robertson on the tour to India in 1998? Nope.

James90 · 20-02-2005, 02:18 AM

This article is quite dodgy, MacGill the second best spinner in the world? So he's better than Murali now?

)Swing( · 20-02-2005, 03:43 AM

I had to give the noggin quite a scratching after that. Didn't quite make sense. Maybe he'd been drinking?

_Ed_ · 20-02-2005, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by )Swing(

I had to give the noggin quite a scratching after that. Didn't quite make sense. Maybe he'd been drinking?

Looks a bit like it from this picture:
http://nz.cricinfo.com/link_to_datab...2/039971.2.jpg

Linda · 20-02-2005, 03:52 AM

I think its funny. So now NSW and Queensland have had complaints about being favoured, whos next?

)Swing( · 20-02-2005, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by _Ed_

Looks a bit like it from this picture:
http://nz.cricinfo.com/link_to_datab...2/039971.2.jpg

heh, nodding off after a few too many pints. heh.

I'd say Victoria are next. You know how many Victorians there've been in the last 10 years...*cough*

vic_orthdox · 20-02-2005, 04:07 AM

haha. what do you mean? we've been whinging for the past 10 years. its just that no-one else cares.

in two weeks, paul reiffell and damien fleming should have both played 100 tests each.

vic_orthdox · 20-02-2005, 04:14 AM

mark waugh tells it like it is, doesn't seem to want to pull too many punches, doese he? he'd know andrew symonds pretty well, and says that his selection was "one of the worst decisions i'd seen for years". then says that hauritz "bowled as his figures suggested" in the mumbai test and after playing against james hopes, he "couldn't see him wearing australian colours". at least he's not afraid to say what he thinks, better than most cricket writers going around, pandering to the aussies all the time.

Hero_Don · 20-02-2005, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Top_Cat

http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...20FEB2005.html

You ARE kidding, right?

A player from NSW is complaining about selection bias?!?! Man, that is rich, particularly since whilst Mark Waugh went through some form struggles in the 90's, guys like Darren Lehmann, Marty Love, Brad Hodge, Stuart Law, etc. were cooling their heels. Didn't complain about any bias then, did he? Why? Because he was a beneficiary. Funny that.

Oh and for the record, Mark, Allan Border was born in NSW and played at least his first season of Sheffield Shield cricket for them. Oopsie.

I still can't believe I've read this. I feel dumber for having gotten all the way through it.

So your saying he is wrong? The fact that he is a New South Welshman has nothing to do with this. He does not share the same opinions as the Australian selectors

vic_orthdox · 20-02-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Top_Cat

I still can't believe I've read this. I feel dumber for having gotten all the way through it.

hmmm...verging on ripping off billy maddison there, aren't we?

Slow Love™ · 20-02-2005, 04:46 AM

Waugh was prattling on a bit, and it has to be said that his comments were a bit funny when you consider that so much of the country perceives that there is a strong NSW bias in the selection panel (whether there is or not).

On Symonds, it was a 50/50 call. Symonds WAS in great form at the time, and there were many people interested in whether he could translate his one-day form to the test arena. However, the biggest person going in to bat for Symonds was Ponting, a Tasmanian. Katich was unlucky, but I can see why the selectors gave Symonds a go.

When it comes to MacGill, I think that Waugh's way off-base - yes, it was absolutely ridiculous that Hauritz (who IMO is garbage) was able to play in front of both White and MacGill. However, I don't think this came down to state bias as much as it did a general anti-MacGill sentiment which goes back quite a few years at both team level and on the part of the selectors. There's no doubt he's the second-best spinner in Australia, and should be treated as such. I suppose you could argue for variation, but I would only really run with that if whomever was bowled in front of MacGill was at least of somewhat comparable ability.

20-02-2005, 01:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,189	Mark Waugh complains of Queensland 'bias' http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_data...20FEB2005.html You ARE kidding, right? A player from NSW is complaining about selection bias?!?! Man, that is rich, particularly since whilst Mark Waugh went through some form struggles in the 90's, guys like Darren Lehmann, Marty Love, Brad Hodge, Stuart Law, etc. were cooling their heels. Didn't complain about any bias then, did he? Why? Because he was a beneficiary. Funny that. Oh and for the record, Mark, Allan Border was born in NSW and played at least his first season of Sheffield Shield cricket for them. Oopsie. I still can't believe I've read this. I feel dumber for having gotten all the way through it. __________________ Check out my bands! The Colourphonics http://www.youtube.com/user/TheColourphonics http://twitter.com/colourphonics Candice and The Arcade Villains http://triplejunearthed.com.au/Candi...ArcadeVillains Last edited by Top_Cat; 20-02-2005 at 01:19 AM.

20-02-2005, 02:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bookie U19 12th Man Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 224	Well Hauritz got picked ahead of Stuey in India. __________________ USA Today finds that 3 out of 4 people make 75% of the population.

20-02-2005, 03:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
)Swing( Cricket Spectator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia. Posts: 34	I had to give the noggin quite a scratching after that. Didn't quite make sense. Maybe he'd been drinking? __________________ <Tom> Do you have role models you try and live up to? <Cameron> Role models, not as such. I try to base my self on someone like .. Ian Botham i.e. I come in late in the game and try and belt as many runs as I can. I also try to help in the bowling department. Really, I try to live up to my dad. He always belts me with a burlap sack full of reeds saying "WHY! WHY DIDN'T YOU WIN!" I tell him it wasn't my fault, it was the middle order but he won't listen ... he just keeps hitting ...

20-02-2005, 03:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
Linda International Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Perth, West Aus Posts: 4,705	I think its funny. So now NSW and Queensland have had complaints about being favoured, whos next? __________________ "I know I underperformed but after the past 18 months I thought I might have received more than four Test matches' grace." - DR Martyn. "Is there any way to make it longer?" Peter English on Twenty20 Official Face of the v. hip 'Twenty20 Is Boring Society'

20-02-2005, 04:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
Slow Love™ International Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,079	Waugh was prattling on a bit, and it has to be said that his comments were a bit funny when you consider that so much of the country perceives that there is a strong NSW bias in the selection panel (whether there is or not). On Symonds, it was a 50/50 call. Symonds WAS in great form at the time, and there were many people interested in whether he could translate his one-day form to the test arena. However, the biggest person going in to bat for Symonds was Ponting, a Tasmanian. Katich was unlucky, but I can see why the selectors gave Symonds a go. When it comes to MacGill, I think that Waugh's way off-base - yes, it was absolutely ridiculous that Hauritz (who IMO is garbage) was able to play in front of both White and MacGill. However, I don't think this came down to state bias as much as it did a general anti-MacGill sentiment which goes back quite a few years at both team level and on the part of the selectors. There's no doubt he's the second-best spinner in Australia, and should be treated as such. I suppose you could argue for variation, but I would only really run with that if whomever was bowled in front of MacGill was at least of somewhat comparable ability. __________________ "Youre known for having a liking for men who look like women." - Linda "FFS I'm sick and tired of having to see a bloke bend over to pick something up or lean over and see their arse crack. For christ's sake pull your pants up or buy some underpants you bogan because nobody want's to see it. And this is a boat building shed (well one of them) not a porn studio." - Craig

20-02-2005, 01:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
shaka International Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: auckland NZ Posts: 3,045	I do agree that MacGill was not given a fair shot, and did perform for Australia. He is still getting pushed to the side for other guys.

20-02-2005, 01:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
telsor U19 12th Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 272	The examples he cites are valid ( Hopes Vs White being the most questionable ), but hardly constitutes systemic bias.

20-02-2005, 02:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,189	I'm not denying that there have been some strange selections of late but was the same allegation levelled at the selection panel (which was dominated by New South Welshmen at the time) when they picked Gavin Robertson on the tour to India in 1998? Nope.

20-02-2005, 04:07 AM	#11 (permalink)
vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,368	haha. what do you mean? we've been whinging for the past 10 years. its just that no-one else cares. in two weeks, paul reiffell and damien fleming should have both played 100 tests each.

20-02-2005, 04:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,368	mark waugh tells it like it is, doesn't seem to want to pull too many punches, doese he? he'd know andrew symonds pretty well, and says that his selection was "one of the worst decisions i'd seen for years". then says that hauritz "bowled as his figures suggested" in the mumbai test and after playing against james hopes, he "couldn't see him wearing australian colours". at least he's not afraid to say what he thinks, better than most cricket writers going around, pandering to the aussies all the time.

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