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    Cricinfo's bowling designations

    Am I the only one who gets angry when Cricinfo's bowling designations come up? In the case of spinners, they get it right, but they're so bad when it comes to fast bowlers, it's insane.

    For example, Cricinfo continues to insist that Andrew Flintoff is Fast Medium. In fact he bowls at 90 mph regularly, whether in tests or ODIs. That is Right Arm Fast. Period, end of sentence. Makhaya Ntini never hits 90 mph. His fastest deliveries in the recent series have barely touched 85 mph. In Sri Lanka, it was even slower. (I know the pitches don't help fast bowlers in Sri Lanka, but even his yorkers which go through the air didn't register 85 mph). Yet Ntini is Right Arm Fast. He should be Right Arm Fast Medium. Rana Naved-ul-Hasan is considred Right Arm Medium. He bowled regularly at over 85 mph. He should be Fast Medium. Irfan Pathan is Left Arm Medium Fast, yet he bowls quicker than Zaheer Khan, who according to Cricinfo is Left Arm Fast Medium. What gives? Shaun Pollock is Right Arm Fast Medium, yet he barely touches 80 mph! He should be Right Arm Medium Fast. Lasith Malinga was hitting 90 mph in the ODIs, but he is Right Arm Fast Medium, which is a recent upgrade from his initial Right Arm Medium Fast designation. Jason Gillespie barely registers 85 mph and is often at 82-83 mph, yet he is Right Arm Fast. I know his pace has dropped since his collision with Steve Waugh, but so too should his designation. Cricinfo needs to revamp how they do classify it entirely. Here's my suggestion:

    Fast: Above 88 mph
    Fast Medium 82-88 mph
    Medium Fast 75-82 mph
    Medium: Below 75 mph

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    So, according to my categories, I only see 11 legitimate fast bowlers bowling today:

    Lee, Akhtar, Sami, Harmison, Flintoff, Steyn, Butler, Bond, Malinga, Edwards and Best. And if Bond can't bowl at his usual pace, then there's the 10 quickies of the world. Sorry India, Bangladesh, and Zimbabwe for having no representation on that list! Maybe Abid Nabi or Munaf Patel for India or Shahadat Hossain for Bangladesh can join it soon. Zimbabwe, get a move on!

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    Excellent point, Gangster; itís one of those things that I find mildly irksome too. I wish I didnít care, but I do!

    They are pretty arbitrary designations. I'm inclined to think it's partly laziness on Cricinfo's part; Dizzy certainly used to be quicker (as you say), so maybe his "Fast" is a throwback to then.

    A couple of other bowlers who are potentially genuinely fast: Simon Jones (measured at 92.8mph in SA series, but admittedly doesn't touch that as often as he did before he snapped his anterior cruciate ligament) & Nantie Hayward (seen him over 90mph too).
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    I dont belive in the distinction between Medium Fast and Fast Medium. For me, your either Medium, Fast Medium (saying it this way actually makes sence. With fast being the adjective of medium... soft of...) or Fast.

    Cricinfo definately do get it wrong a lot though. I agree with that. Vasbert Drakes RF.... hahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    Always amuses me when Gough is bowling and is listed as right arm fast...
    TBF to old Daz he used to be genuinely quick before he knackered his knee; I reckon he was obsessed about it! He'd be craning his neck to look at the speed-gun measurement almost during his delivery stride!

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    It seems the disease isn't limited to cricinfo; I was just having a look on "Howstat" & they define Paul Collingwood's bowling style thus:

    Right Arm Off Spin Bowler

    Er.....

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    It was once well-reported everywhere that Douglas Marillier bolwed medium pace, when he cleared bowled off spin.

    This really puzzled me, but they seem to have fixed it up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    It seems the disease isn't limited to cricinfo; I was just having a look on "Howstat" & they define Paul Collingwood's bowling style thus:

    Right Arm Off Spin Bowler

    Er.....
    Well he used to bowl off-spin, so like Gough it's just somewhat out of date.

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    I think there is a difference between fast medium and medium fast....
    fast medium is a bowler who normally bowls pretty fast but can spend a spell or two bowling at consierably lower speeds....medium fast is the other way round

    but i agree...those designations are infuriating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    I think there is a difference between fast medium and medium fast....
    fast medium is a bowler who normally bowls pretty fast but can spend a spell or two bowling at consierably lower speeds....medium fast is the other way round

    but i agree...those designations are infuriating.
    Indeed there are bowlers that bowl like that. Im not disputing that.

    Im disputing the terminology. Gramtically speaking, medium fast is actually faster than fast medium..... but its not really used like that.

    So we should either come up with new terminologies for these bowler types, or just group them all in as Fast Medium.

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    but then say you have the likes of daryl tuffey & glenn mcgrath listed as the same speed as naved ul-hasan & makhaya ntini, i think 4 pace-bowling categories is a minimum(M, MF, FM & F), what they are named though is a different story and one which i quite frankly don't give a toss about since most of us are used to the terminology anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    Always amuses me when Gough is bowling and is listed as right arm fast...
    yeah, and Mcgrath....
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    I guess you can consider Butler for that list. I think his top speed has been 148 km's.
    He'll get overtaken soon in terms of pace by Canterbury bowler Richard Sherlock anyway who has been confirmed as 150 km's+

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