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    Lara a finals flop

    Pinched this off another forum.

    Brian Lara in his last 10 finals:


    Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

    Last 10 ODI finals: 10 9 2 204 60* 35 31* 29.14 0 1 1

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    actually not juts the last 10...
    he's been a finals flop all over pretty much.

    Been to sixteen finals, batted in fifteen of them,scored 500 runs at 31.25 with 1 ton and 2 fifties....

    I think he is a decent pressure player but not in the same league as Steve Waugh,Allan Border, Sunil Gavaskar, etc. and a lot of his reputation is based on that legendary innings of 153*

    PS: who are you on ICF ? i know Vic_orthodox used to post there for a while.

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    You do realize that you are comparing ODI's and tests as the same thing??
    In tests hes a GREAT pressure player. Not so in one dayers i guess.

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    mmm
    i dont think he is a great pressure player in tests.
    He has a few pressure knocks i grant and is a good pressure player in tests....but not the grandaddy of pressure players as some make him to be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    mmm
    i dont think he is a great pressure player in tests.
    He has a few pressure knocks i grant and is a good pressure player in tests....but not the grandaddy of pressure players as some make him to be.
    Think about that for a second. How can he not be a great pressure player when hes performed so well in tests while being the teams backbone for well over a decade?
    How many times has lara come in early when the windies are in trouble?

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    Think about that for a second. How can he not be a great pressure player when hes performed so well in tests while being the teams backbone for well over a decade?
    How many times has lara come in early when the windies are in trouble?
    Well...when you play for such a hopeless team like the WI of the last 4-5 years, comming in at the wicket with the scores at 10/2 isnt really pressure.....you just do your best and go on with it.
    Whats the pressure when you are starin down the barrel with snowball's chance in hell to win or draw ?
    Pressure is when you can make or break the result.....

    Lara, for all his toutings of pressure playing( i am not saying that he isnt a pressure player...he is a good pressure player in tests but not as good as some make him to be), fails more often than the likes of Waugh/Border/Gavaskar etc. when the match is on the line.

    People remember his successes but dont really remember his failures....
    its like for every pressure situation(where match result can be affected), lara comes in and flops like two-thirds of the time......he pulls off some blinders but i am not the kind to harp on successes and forget the failures...one must balance them to get the whole picture.

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    what was that score of 204 about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Well...when you play for such a hopeless team like the WI of the last 4-5 years, comming in at the wicket with the scores at 10/2 isnt really pressure.....you just do your best and go on with it.
    Whats the pressure when you are starin down the barrel with snowball's chance in hell to win or draw ?
    Pressure is when you can make or break the result......
    I dont understand your reasoning there. If the team sucks a bit, there is more pressure because there is still a chance for a win? but because windies suck so much it doesnt really matter anymore? lol
    Why isnt there a snowballs chance of a win or draw at that stage? Its a test match, there is always pressure, and as captain its amplified.


    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Lara, for all his toutings of pressure playing( i am not saying that he isnt a pressure player...he is a good pressure player in tests but not as good as some make him to be), fails more often than the likes of Waugh/Border/Gavaskar etc. when the match is on the line.

    People remember his successes but dont really remember his failures....
    its like for every pressure situation(where match result can be affected), lara comes in and flops like two-thirds of the time......he pulls off some blinders but i am not the kind to harp on successes and forget the failures...one must balance them to get the whole picture.
    Come up with some examples for waugh, border and gavasker. I bet i could beat you two to one with laras.

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    Just had a look at Ponting in grand finals.

    A pretty impressive record

    M--runs--hs----ave
    28 1017 140* 44.21

    A champion of champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scallywag
    Just had a look at Ponting in grand finals.

    A pretty impressive record

    M--runs--hs----ave
    28 1017 140* 44.21

    A champion of champions.
    Just because its a final doesnt automatically mean there is pressure. How can ponting be under pressure in that australian side?
    He comes in at 1/100 after the bowlers have been demoralized by hayden and gilchrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow
    Just because its a final doesnt automatically mean there is pressure. How can ponting be under pressure in that australian side?
    He comes in at 1/100 after the bowlers have been demoralized by hayden and gilchrist.
    Pardon!

    Who mentioned pressure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scallywag
    Pardon!

    Who mentioned pressure?
    Why are you posting in this ****en thread then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow
    Why are you posting in this ****en thread then?

    Because I started it.

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    I mean why post pontings record here? You must be implying he excells under pressure.
    I actually think he does but i dont beleive hes under nearly the same amount as lara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow
    I mean why post pontings record here? You must be implying he excells under pressure.
    I actually think he does but i dont beleive hes under nearly the same amount as lara.
    Every player that walks out onto the field is playing under pressure, just because your team is 1/100 you are still under as much pressure as you would be if they were 1/10 because you still need to score runs against the bowlers. Most people would think a winning team is under more pressure to keep winning than a team that normally would not be expected to win. So I'm not really interested in discussing who is under more pressure, as far as I'm concerned every player is under pressure.

    And why did I post Pontings stats,

    guess who posted "Come up with some examples for waugh, border and gavasker. I bet i could beat you two to one with laras." so I gave Pontings.

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