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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00
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    are you seriously suggesting that when NZ beat Australia, that Australia had a full strength team?
    nathan astle averages more than gilchrist in ODI's - how many good innings did he have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerset
    Considering we beat the world champs three times in a wrong, then came within an inch of embarrassing them to death, I can't see your point.
    I could see your point if it was 2002 but its 2005 and Aus have more than proved that NZ are no match after losing 12 of the next 13 games against Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming
    You shouldn't even comment on the New Zealand players, because obviously you know nothing about them.

    Bond is not a part-timer, he's an express fast bowler who has rattled the Australians many a time. Oram is not a part-timer, and he has shown that with his rise up the ODI rankings. Harris is not a part-timer, he has taken over 200 ODI wickets. Styris is not a part-timer, and is now used quite often by Fleming in ODIs, and come out with success as well.
    Never have i said Bond is a part timer.... Oram is a batting all-rounder, as is Styris... Harris, ... Clarke is used by ponting often, doesnt make him a gun...

    Your comeback of: "You shouldn't even comment on the New Zealand players, because obviously you know nothing about them"... is so stupid its unbareable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bryce
    nathan astle averages more than gilchrist in ODI's - how many good innings did he have?

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    Thats what im saying, form is no excuse, and Australia werent at their ultimate best also.


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    You Aussies clearly can't see my point

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00

    are you seriously suggesting that when NZ beat Australia, that Australia had a full strength team?

    I'm sorry, but I consider this lineup that played NZ in Decemeber as pretty much full-strength:

    AC Gilchrist, ML Hayden, RT Ponting, DS Lehmann, DR Martyn, A Symonds, MJ Clarke, SR Watson, GB Hogg, B Lee, MS Kasprowicz.
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    If that's not their "ultimate best", then they must have come pretty close.

    It's very difficult to whitewash an away ODI series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming
    I'm sorry, but I consider this lineup that played NZ in Decemeber as pretty much full-strength:

    AC Gilchrist, ML Hayden, RT Ponting, DS Lehmann, DR Martyn, A Symonds, MJ Clarke, SR Watson, GB Hogg, B Lee, MS Kasprowicz.
    no gillespie, no mcgrath... Lehmann and Watson also in the team....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scallywag
    I could see your point if it was 2002 but its 2005 and Aus have more than proved that NZ are no match after losing 12 of the next 13 games against Australia
    12 of the 13 games...well take out five and that makes seven out of eight. Only three of those eight games actually occured after 2003 - of which New Zealand won one - which makes your point just as invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00
    Never have i said Bond is a part timer.... Oram is a batting all-rounder, as is Styris... Harris, ... Clarke is used by ponting often, doesnt make him a gun...

    Your comeback of: "You shouldn't even comment on the New Zealand players, because obviously you know nothing about them"... is so stupid its unbareable.
    Oh no, it's not stupid, because you have just made yourself out to be stupid with your previous lines.

    Oram is a genuine allrounder, and NOT a part time bowler. I can't see how you can be 7th in the rankings and be a part-timer.

    Styris is not a part timer in ODIs, well if he is, the Australians still had trouble against his wicket to wicket bowling. Christopher Zinan Harris aye....a part timer....I wonder if he is the first man in the world to take 200 ODI wickets and regarded as a part timer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00
    no gillespie, no mcgrath... Lehmann and Watson also in the team....
    I guess that's worst than having Bond, Styris, Harris, Oram, Cairns, Astle out of your team then is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming
    I guess that's worst than having Bond, Styris, Harris, Oram, Cairns, Astle out of your team then is it?
    UGH... i think i'll just give up, it will save me discussing this with someone like you, who cant understand basic concepts, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming
    I guess that's worst than having Bond, Styris, Harris, Oram, Cairns, Astle out of your team then is it?
    It seems that way. Besides McGrath and Gillespie combined were obviously going to score vital runs at the death a la Darren Lehmann and actually get Australia to a reasonable total.

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    Or someone like you who just can't understand that Harris and Oram aren't part-timers....

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