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    Alltime World Left handers XI

    The only restriction is that if he is a bowler, he has to be a left hand bowler(doesnt matter if he is a right hand batsman), left hand batsman if he is predominantly a batsman or a wicketkeeper and atleast a left arm bowler/left arm batsman if he is playing as an allrounder

    What would it be ?

    Let me take a stab at it:

    Bill Lawrey
    Roy Fredericks
    Graeme Pollock
    Brian Lara
    Clive Lloyd *
    Gary Sobers
    Adam Gillchrist +
    Wasim Akram
    Alan Davidson
    Bishen Bedi
    Iqbal Qasim/Bruce Reid/Chaminda Vaas
    Last edited by C_C; 19-01-2005 at 03:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    The only restriction is that if he is a bowler, he has to be a left hand bowler(doesnt matter if he is a right hand batsman), left hand batsman if he is predominantly a batsman or a wicketkeeper and atleast a left arm bowler/left arm batsman if he is playing as an allrounder

    What would it be ?

    Let me take a stab at it:

    Bill Lawrey
    Roy Fredericks
    Graeme Pollock
    Brian Lara
    Clive Lloyd *
    Gary Sobers
    Adam Gillchrist +
    Wasim Akram
    Alan Davidson
    Bishen Bedi
    Iqbal Qasim/Bruce Reid/Chaminda Vaas

    Not bad, although I think either one (or both) of Langer or Hayden should get a look in for the openers spots, and perhaps Derek Underwood over Bedi for the spinners spot. Also, I'd have Davidson batting ahead of Akram. Aside from that, I can't disagree with anything from 3 through to 9.

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    Well Davidson and Akram are both primarily bowlers who could bat a bit...i dont think it makes much of a difference if we flip their places...
    as per hayden...no thanks. Langer i can see though i would consider Lawrey to be superior..if langer keeps up his form in the tests i can see him breaking in though....
    And i wouldnt pick underwood ahead of Bedi..bedi is usually rated as the best left arm spinner ever......definately better than underwood....the only time i would pick underwood over bedi is if its a sticky wicket....in those conditions he was deadly....hell, on sticky wickets i would pick underwood before practically anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    The only restriction is that if he is a bowler, he has to be a left hand bowler(doesnt matter if he is a right hand batsman), left hand batsman if he is predominantly a batsman or a wicketkeeper and atleast a left arm bowler/left arm batsman if he is playing as an allrounder

    What would it be ?

    Let me take a stab at it:

    Bill Lawrey
    Roy Fredericks
    Graeme Pollock
    Brian Lara
    Clive Lloyd *
    Gary Sobers
    Adam Gillchrist +
    Wasim Akram
    Alan Davidson
    Bishen Bedi
    Iqbal Qasim/Bruce Reid/Chaminda Vaas
    Hayden, Langer & Morris are all better openers than either Lawry & Fredericks (and that's just the Australians that I can think of).

    Border should replace Lloyd.


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    Bill Lawry wouldnt make the modern test team due to his slow scoring nature, i think its a bit silly of you to put him the all time lefties XI
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    Dunno how i missed border.....he replaces Lloyd then.
    But I dont agree that Langer and Hayden are better than Lawrey and fredericks.
    Arthur Morris for Lawrey is a good call.

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    [QUOTE=C_C]Dunno how i missed border.....he replaces Lloyd then.
    But I dont agree that Langer and Hayden are better than Lawrey and fredericks.
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    Hayden 5500runs @ 54

    Fredericks 4300runs @ 42

    Langer 6400runs @ 46

    Lawry 5200runs @ 47

    Its quite obvious why Fredericks gets the nod over Langer and Hayden.

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    I'd prefer.......

    Hayden
    Anwar
    G Pollock
    Lara
    Border (c)
    Sobers
    Gilchrist (wk)
    Akram
    Davidson
    Blythe
    Reid

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    [QUOTE=Scallywag]
    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Dunno how i missed border.....he replaces Lloyd then.
    But I dont agree that Langer and Hayden are better than Lawrey and fredericks.
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    Hayden 5500runs @ 54

    Fredericks 4300runs @ 42

    Langer 6400runs @ 46

    Lawry 5200runs @ 47

    Its quite obvious why Fredericks gets the nod over Langer and Hayden.

    Hayden versus fast bowlers : Hayden bolloxed.
    Fredericks versus fast bowlers(such as Lillee/Thommo): Pure murder.

    Besides, its amatuerish to deal with just the career stats and not take into consideration any glaring weaknesses of a player/detailed analysis.


    And Blythe over Bedi/Underwood ?
    some dude in the amatuer era ?
    Please.....

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    [QUOTE=C_C]Fredericks versus fast bowlers(such as Lillee/Thommo): Pure murder.

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    Have to agree C_C

    Fredericks 15 tests (29 innings) against Australia 1000runs @ 38 and 1 century

    Pure murder.

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    Fredericks 15 tests (29 innings) against Australia 1000runs @ 38 and 1 century

    Pure murder.
    Tell me when Hayden plays an innings like Frederick did at WACA against Lillee and Thommo....where he butchered Lillee and Thommo.

    He averaged near 40 against the top bowling unit of his era when 40-45 average equated to great opening batsmen.
    Take that under due consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Tell me when Hayden plays an innings like Frederick did at WACA against Lillee and Thommo....where he butchered Lillee and Thommo.

    He averaged near 40 against the top bowling unit of his era when 40-45 average equated to great opening batsmen.
    Take that under due consideration.
    How can I argue that one innings makes a champion, just because they lost the next 4 tests of the series with Fredericks contributing nothing means he is a better player than say Langer who scored 200+ against Akhtar the fastest bowler ever on the same ground.

    It all makes perfect sense.

    Didnt I Chappel also make 150 in the same match against Holding, Gibbs and Roberts, that must make him better than Richards Haynes and Tendulkar.
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    How can I argue that one innings makes a champion, just because they lost the next 4 tests of the series with Fredericks contributing nothing means he is a better player than say Langer who scored 200+ against Akhtar the fastest bowler ever on the same ground.
    Check the bowling quality faced by Fredericks and the bowling quality faced by Hayden. What did Hayden do against Ambrose and Walsh? what did Hayden do against Akhtar ?
    Hayden, like Everton Weekes has a glaring weakness and similarity: Butcherer of medium pace bowling and an awesome player of spin but totally useless against quality pace bowling.
    Fastest doesnt mean quality fast bowling.
    I know i said Lillee is overrated but not THAT overrated to be inferior to shoaib akhtar

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Check the bowling quality faced by Fredericks and the bowling quality faced by Hayden. What did Hayden do against Ambrose and Walsh? what did Hayden do against Akhtar ?
    Hayden, like Everton Weekes has a glaring weakness and similarity: Butcherer of medium pace bowling and an awesome player of spin but totally useless against quality pace bowling.
    Fastest doesnt mean quality fast bowling.
    I know i said Lillee is overrated but not THAT overrated to be inferior to shoaib akhtar
    No need to explain yourself C_C it all makes perfect sense to me.

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    No need to explain yourself C_C it all makes perfect sense to me.
    Good.

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