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    Captains

    Who in your estimations are the best captains ever for each Test side?I'll start us off.

    Australia - Allan Border
    West Indies - Frank Worrell
    Bangladesh - Habibul Bashar(1st victory)
    New Zealand - Stephen Fleming
    England - Mike Brearley
    South Africa - Hansie Cronje
    Sri Lanka - Marvan Atapattu
    Pakistan - Imran Khan
    India - Saurav Ganguly
    Zimbabwe - Andy Flower
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    Definite case of 'most recent best remembered' there in a few cases IMO.
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    Pakistan - Imran
    India - The Patodi Guy?
    WI - Lloyd
    Australia - Taylor
    England - Peter May
    SA - Cronje
    Sri-lanka - Ranatuga
    Zim when it mattered - Flower
    NZ - Flemming

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    Australia - Taylor?


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    Australia - Waugh
    England - Brearley
    India - Ganguly
    Pakistan - Imran
    Sri Lanka - Ranatunga
    New Zealand - Fleming
    West Indies - Lloyd
    South Africa - Cronje

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReallyCrazy
    Australia - Waugh
    England - Brearley
    India - Ganguly
    Pakistan - Imran
    Sri Lanka - Ranatunga
    New Zealand - Fleming
    West Indies - Lloyd
    South Africa - Cronje
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    Erm, all those players were withing the past 25/30 years... surely from Cricket's 125 years there are some captains who beat the past 25 years? I can think of a fair few contanders...

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    Australia - Richie Benaud
    West Indies - Frank Worrell
    Bangladesh - Habibul Bashar
    New Zealand - Stephen Fleming
    India - Saurav Ganguly
    England - Mike Brearley
    South Africa - Hansie Cronje
    Sri Lanka - Arjuna Ranatunga
    Pakistan - Imran Khan
    Zimbabwe - Andy Flower
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    From what I've seen (from 1980)

    England - Mike Brearley
    Australia - Steve Waugh
    Pakistan - Imran
    India - gavaskar
    W.I - lloyd
    Sri lanka - Rangatunga
    NZ - Flem
    S.Africa - Cronje ( before the silly buggers began)
    Zimb - Campbell

    My top 5 are in no particular order are....

    FLEMING- (given his limited resourses over the years)

    LLOYD -(although captained the greatest Windies side, always lead by example)

    BREARLEY -( only problem being he wasn't good enough as a player)

    WAUGH - (learn't from Border + Taylor and took ruthless captaincy to a new level - I think Ponting will probably do the same)

    CRONJE - Incredible win/loss ratio. Before he lost the plot and threw it all away, he was so well respected world wide as a skipper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    India - Saurav Ganguly
    Are you having a laugh?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Halsey
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    No, he's being realistic -- India have never really had a good captain in the past.

    Ganguly may not be the greatest tactician but he did provide strong leadership to Indian cricket at a time when they most needed it. He took the reigns in 2000 in the wake of a home series defeat by South Africa and more significantly, the match fixing scandal. India were languishing close to the bottom of the test table at that time -- now they're ranked 3rd ( and while John Wright deserves a fair bit of credit for that so does Ganguly).

    So yeah while he may not compare to S Waugh or Frank Worrell, in terms of what India have had -- he's far better than a lot of captains I've seen.

    I've seen a fair bit of Indian cricket (I've also coached there) over the last 20 years and Ganguly is definitely the best skipper I've witnessed in that time.

    And from what I've heard, Indian skippers before that time aren't worth talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermanShepherd
    No, he's being realistic -- India have never really had a good captain in the past.

    Ganguly may not be the greatest tactician but he did provide strong leadership to Indian cricket at a time when they most needed it. He took the reigns in 2000 in the wake of a home series defeat by South Africa and more significantly, the match fixing scandal. India were languishing close to the bottom of the test table at that time -- now they're ranked 3rd ( and while John Wright deserves a fair bit of credit for that so does Ganguly).

    So yeah while he may not compare to S Waugh or Frank Worrell, in terms of what India have had -- he's far better than a lot of captains I've seen.

    I've seen a fair bit of Indian cricket (I've also coached there) over the last 20 years and Ganguly is definitely the best skipper I've witnessed in that time.

    And from what I've heard, Indian skippers before that time aren't worth talking about.
    Spot on mate.

    Almost everyone in this thread had named Ganguly as India's best captain yet the Essex boy has a go at me only.

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    Maybe you were the first he saw...

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    Well here's my picks. I've briefly tried to justify them:

    Australia: Allan Border- lead Australia out of the dark ages. Not one to dominate by force of personality, he sowed the seeds that have borne the fruit under subsequent regimes. Hard to overestimate his importance in Australia’s current pre-eminence.
    Bangladesh: Habibul Bashar- only ever winning Bangladesh skipper. Also drew first test with The Windies last year, outscoring their hosts in the first innings.
    England: Douglas Jardine- England’s most thinking & most ruthless captain. Such was his innovative genius that cricket's rules were changed to counter it. 11 wins from 15 tests.
    India: Kapil Dev- lead India to surprise triumph in ’83 WC & 2-0 series victory in England. Captaincy seemed to enhance rather than diminish him.
    New Zealand: Bev Congdon- lead New Zealand to the first victory over Australia. Made New Zealand a serious force in the game.
    Pakistan: Imran Khan- lead Pakistan to the ’92 World Cup & their first series win in England. His Pakistan were also the only team to seriously contest The Windies pre-eminence.
    South Africa: Ali Bacher – only four tests in charge, but 100% record against a more than useful Oz team. I absolutely refuse to consider Cronje.
    Sri Lanka: Arjuna Ranatunga- made the Sri Lankans a force to be reckoned with. A street-fighting politician of a captain, one may have occasion to question his actions, but one can’t help but admire his intense loyalty to his players.
    West Indies: Clive Lloyd- laid the foundations for two decades of dominance. Used fast bowling to greater effect than any test captain since Jardine.
    Zimbabwe: Alistair Campbell- lead Zimbabwe to their finest moment, the 1-0 series win in Pakistan in 98/99. Also oversaw creditable 0-0 draw with England in 96/97.
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    i find it hard to believe that people can put waugh down as the best australian captain, both the captains before him were far better.
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