Which nation has the dodgiest umpires?

[BoyBrumby]

I think calling the thread "Which nation has the dodgiest umpires?" is flame-bait, however unintentional. It encourages generalisations.

FWIW the worst international ump I've seen is Russel Tiffin (Zimbabwe) & the best Venkat (India). Hair (Australia) is the most arrogant; his anti-Murali crusade put Oz/Sri Lankan relations back decades.

My all-time fav is dear old Dickie tho! I didn't always agree with his decisions (I'm all for giving batters the benefit of the doubt, but jeez...) but he was never less than excellent value & certainly very even-handed.

 

[SJS]

again i'm no cricket historian but that's the only time of heard of NZ umpires doing such a bad job that it could be considered bias, hardly enough to place them in an elite group of cheaters, unless you have other accurate examples...
-the series was in 1979/80 btw

Well cheaters is a very strong word but if one says the umpiring was biased or that the benefit of the doubt AND some 'doubtful benefits' were always meant for the home side, it doesnt mean much different, inspite of the sugar coating, does it.

BTW, Imran Khan in his book Imran clearly talks of the umpiring during the 1979 tour of New Zealand as one of the resons why he started campaigning about neutral umpires. I mustadd that he also talks of bad umpirinng in Australia (also of the TCCB chairman, George Mann as being widely quoted of about the bad umpiring in Australia during Bob Willis led Ashes tour) and elsewhere.

 

[biased indian]

In addition to what I have said my main point was that the Australian players show more respect to the umpires and have a more professional approach to the game and the way they treat the umpire.

 

[Armadillo]

I for one am relieved I dont have to see more of guys like Peter Parker and that umpire from the past who was charged for child molesting. Most of the Australian umpires I have seen have been poorer than the avg world standards.

Peter Parker? Is he gonna use his spider senses to judge lbw's?

 

[Smudge]

Well cheaters is a very strong word but if one says the umpiring was biased or that the benefit of the doubt AND some 'doubtful benefits' were always meant for the home side, it doesnt mean much different, inspite of the sugar coating, does it.

BTW, Imran Khan in his book Imran clearly talks of the umpiring during the 1979 tour of New Zealand as one of the resons why he started campaigning about neutral umpires. I mustadd that he also talks of bad umpirinng in Australia (also of the TCCB chairman, George Mann as being widely quoted of about the bad umpiring in Australia during Bob Willis led Ashes tour) and elsewhere.

Pot. Kettle. Black - construct a sentence with those three words, Imran.

 

[C_C]

Pot. Kettle. Black - construct a sentence with those three words, Imran.

well.
While the pak umpiring was pretty dodgy, i dont think they were as dodgy as that particular series Imran reffered to.

 

[Scallywag]

well.
While the pak umpiring was pretty dodgy, i dont think they were as dodgy as that particular series Imran reffered to.

Love it C_C

Pakistan umpires only a little bit dodgy not fully dodgy like the Kiwis.

 

[Smudge]

One former NZ cricketer (can't remember which book I read it in) told the story of playing a tour match in Pakistan. The ball beat the batsman and clipped the off bail.
The NZ side started to come together when the umpire piped up and said what a windy day it was, and put the bail back on the stump. The NZ team was flabbergasted, particularly as it was a windless day. Of course there was nothing they could do, so played on.

 

[James90]

Bowden's the best umpire I can remember seeing and Asoka de Silva is easily the worst
That's all I have to say

 

[SJS]

Pot. Kettle. Black - construct a sentence with those three words, Imran.

Imran does talk of Pakistani umpiring during India's tour there and says pakistan was the beneficiary on all occasions.

Its the only instance I can recall of a test cricketer, and a captain at that, openly and on record admitting that umpiring in his own country was biased !!

 

[Son Of Coco]

LOL

Im not trying to cause trouble, just looking for some intelligent debate

I even admit NZ aint faultless and England is the best!

I reckon EVERY other country knows what its like to be consistantly robbed by the Aussie umps, particulary in their tri nations ODI series

peace

They know what it's like to be consistently beaten anyway - whether you find fault internally with your teams performance or blame it on an outside source is up to you. In the period you were referring to in the 80's, if our umps were cheating they were doing a terrible job, we struggled to win a game.

 

[Son Of Coco]

so am i, especially since you put them in the 'top 3' which did not include australia - where the bill lawry stat makes it seem they were anything but fair

It depends on whether he was ever blatantly out or not.

 

[SJS]

They know what it's like to be consistently beaten anyway - whether you find fault internally with your teams performance or blame it on an outside source is up to you. In the period you were referring to in the 80's, if our umps were cheating they were doing a terrible job, we struggled to win a game.

This is not a comment on Aussie umpiring but mostly bad(biased) umpiring has come from teams who couldnt win anyway.

Doesnt prove a thing.

India, Pakistan and NewZealand didnt win much too.

 

[Son Of Coco]

This is not a comment on Aussie umpiring but mostly bad(biased) umpiring has come from teams who couldnt win anyway.

Doesnt prove a thing.

India, Pakistan and NewZealand didnt win much too.

India and Pakistan were unbeatable at home.

 

[cric_manic]

One former NZ cricketer (can't remember which book I read it in) told the story of playing a tour match in Pakistan. The ball beat the batsman and clipped the off bail.
The NZ side started to come together when the umpire piped up and said what a windy day it was, and put the bail back on the stump. The NZ team was flabbergasted, particularly as it was a windless day. Of course there was nothing they could do, so played on.

yeah i think i saw tht on that 'mantis and the cricket' program i think it happend on the 1965 tour of asia,but i maby wrong

 

[SJS]

India and Pakistan were unbeatable at home.

India did not win much against the big three. Winning against Australia only in 1979 for the first time(first test in 56). Against West Indies first win was in 78-79 (first test in 1948).

They did beat England but England chose to leave their best players including captain at home. In 1962, their best batsmen (May and Cowdrey) and their best bowlers(Trueman and Statham).

In 1972, the captain, Illingworth, the best batsman Boycott, the best bowler Snow and the best all rounder D'Oliviera again chose to stay home.

But what you say is true for Pakistan. They wom against all comers. Maybe the umpiring was even better !!!!

 

[C_C]

Love it C_C

Pakistan umpires only a little bit dodgy not fully dodgy like the Kiwis.

Learn to READ.

I said that at some point or another, every nation had bad umpires.
However, i dont think there is a worse example of umpiring in a series than the WI vs NZ series in 1979/80.
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[bryce]

It depends on whether he was ever blatantly out or not.

tough to work that out now lol

 

[deep85]

I agree that Bucknor & Shep have past their best. They are getting old & should retire. Relatively young umpires like Taufel,Dar & Billy are less criticised and are making less errors off late.

 

[The Maestro]

Learn to READ.

I said that at some point or another, every nation had bad umpires.
However, i dont think there is a worse example of umpiring in a series than the WI vs NZ series in 1979/80.
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I can think of many VB/Aussie Tri Series where wack home team favouring decisons ran that pretty close