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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    I'm not on about whether he would have gotten a start or not - it's pointless arguing that, I'm on about if he was suddenly available for Australia tomorrow he'd waltz into the Australian side.
    Yes. If he were suddenly availble tomorrow he would go into the Australian side in place of Lehmann, in my view. He would probably have to bat at 5 or 6 until Langer or Hayden retired mind you, since none of the top 4 would move for anybody.

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    what about india though? he is better than ghambir surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    To think that someone was arguing that Strauss wouldn't make the Australian Test side the other day...
    especially with hayden doing so brilliantly there with all his failures on non-flat wickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
    Does have a thing about nervy 130s, though - 136 this series, 137 HS, dropped on 130 here (if I'm reading cricinfo rightly)...I suppose, if he gets there every time, no problem!
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    Either I've not been paying attention, that happened whilst I were on the toilet, or Cricinfo's talking pants again.
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    Probably the latter.
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    That means the ball was too short (it was also slow, wide, and a pie, Kallis' loosener). Strauss disposed of it past backward point with great ease.

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    To clarify...
    Strauss struck Kallis cleanly in the air just over AB's head at extra-cover; AB had no chance of even getting a finger on it, though he made a good effort.
    Hakon still has a point about the nervous 130s\40s, tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB
    If Andrew Strauss either finishes this innings with an unbeaten score or else achieves his 1159th run (he's on something like 1134 at the moment), he would finish his innings and be able to say that of any player who has played at least 20 innings in test matches, he is second in the current history of cricket when it comes to test averages behind the great Don Bradman.

    Before this test, he was in 8th place - still ahead of any current player with a tidy 58.61 average.
    He's had a start more sensational than most, that's certain.
    If he keeps this up, he could replace Graeme Smith as the potential next-best-after-Bradman.
    But of course we've seen orgies of run-scoring like this before - the real test will come when the form runs-out. As Vaughan so pointedly repeated time and again 2 winters ago - and I'll bet he's incredibly glad he did now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    replace Graeme Smith as the potential next-best-after-Bradman.
    Tee hee hee.

    Next: Ashish Nehra to be replaced as potential next-best-after-Wasim-Akram.

    Graeme Smith shows more potential to be the next-best-after-Vinod-Kambli.

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    Of late he's been poor.
    After the end of the New Zealand tour it was perfectly conceivable that he'd finish his Test-career with an average in the 60s.
    So he'd be a contender - and no more - for the 2nd-best batsman of all-time.
    The recent games have made that look ever more unlikely with every one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    He's 27 and his first class average is 44, and that's in the English county system. I don't think that would get him a start in the Australian test side at all, given the number of players with averages around 50 over long periods who haven't been given a significant opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    He's had a start more sensational than most, that's certain.
    If he keeps this up, he could replace Graeme Smith as the potential next-best-after-Bradman.
    Erm, apart from you, nobody else has said that about Smith.

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    And I can't see anyone else saying it about Strauss, either, can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    After the end of the New Zealand tour it was perfectly conceivable that he'd finish his Test-career with an average in the 60s.
    In spite of the fact that back in 2002 we all identified his obvious weakness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    And I can't see anyone else saying it about Strauss, either, can you?
    No, because to label any player with that early in their career is silly, and can lead to a large helping of egg on your face.

    Bit like you've got by hyping Smith so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Of late he's been poor.
    After the end of the New Zealand tour it was perfectly conceivable that he'd finish his Test-career with an average in the 60s.
    So he'd be a contender - and no more - for the 2nd-best batsman of all-time.
    The recent games have made that look ever more unlikely with every one.
    His ending his career with a 60+ average could only have been perfectly conceivable to someone who simply reads scorecards and doesn't watch cricket. Watching the English bowlers sling down rubbish tailored to his few strengths and attacking none of his obvious weaknesses while he compiled 259 at Lord's was painful in the extreme. At least they learned their lesson and didn't do it again that series, which is why he could hardly buy a run thereafter.

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