MacGill - "Might outlast next spin generation"

[Smudge]

I find it interesting how many people dont like MacGill because of his character, attitude, personality, etc.

Fortunately, that's no basis for assessing cricketers because if it was, people like Warne, Steve Waugh, and Ian Botham would be at the bottom of every heap. As cricketers, they're great. As human beings, well that's another story.

That's only in response to other people claiming he is morally superior to other cricketers.

 

[GotSpin]

He just seems so stuck up, i feel like..punching his fat head in when he talks himself up

 

[GotSpin]

Some of the biggest nonsense that I have ever read.

MacGill has one of the best records for a spinner in history.

I suggest that the next time the Australaian test team are in town, you take yourself off to one of their net sessions and hopefully MacGill will be there.
I guarantee that you will be amazed at his skill.

i was more amazed with warne, sorry!

 

[tooextracool]

Oh yeah, that's right he should turn down the chance to play for Australia because he is only selected on pitches that help him because people like you will always find some way to critisise him...great idea.

because i've said that?i've given you perfectly valid reasons why his SR and average is better than it actually should be, because hes struggled whenever hes played without warne.

 

[SJS]

He just seems so stuck up, i feel like..punching his fat head in when he talks himself up

fair enough.

So you dont like him and his attitude etc etc. Does that reflect on his skills as a bowler ?

 

[Josh]

i was more amazed with warne, sorry!

As would I be, the fact that he bowls to a plan, which was earlier mentioned, is quite interesting to hear about and to see. Warne has an amazing cricketing brain e.g. in the charity match moving Chris Gayle squarer and taking a wicket next ball. Warne always knew Sehwag would play that shot because that is the shot he wanted him to play. MacGill would never do that. He'd bowl his fulltosses and half-trackers and hope to hell it reaches someone's hands, which it does a lot of the time, unfortunately.

 

[Josh]

I'll admit MacGill turns the ball a hell of a lot but just because someone can turn it that far doesn't make their longhops look any more attractive, doesn't make them good deliveries, either...

 

[Beleg]

Is it his fault the batsmen play stupid shots to him?

It isn't his fault, but it isn't reflective of his real quality, which is enhanced by this strange piece of luck.

 

[Mister Wright]

As would I be, the fact that he bowls to a plan, which was earlier mentioned, is quite interesting to hear about and to see. Warne has an amazing cricketing brain e.g. in the charity match moving Chris Gayle squarer and taking a wicket next ball. Warne always knew Sehwag would play that shot because that is the shot he wanted him to play. MacGill would never do that. He'd bowl his fulltosses and half-trackers and hope to hell it reaches someone's hands, which it does a lot of the time, unfortunately.

That's the most ridiculous post so far in this thread. MacGill has a better cricket brain than you give him credit for. From all reports he was the mastermind behind the massive partnership he and Thornely shared earlier in the season. I don't think you have a big enough idea of cricket to say MacGill would just bowl full-tossers and hope for the best - he bowls more good balls than bad.

 

[Mister Wright]

because i've said that?i've given you perfectly valid reasons why his SR and average is better than it actually should be, because hes struggled whenever hes played without warne.

He has bowled perfectly well when Warne hasn't been in the side. Take out one poor series against India (hey, everyone has a bad series, Warne has had his fair share). MacGill has bowled well against Windies and England, and was actually chosen ahead of Warne during the Windies Series in '99 - remember that?

I'm not saying here, that MacGill is a better bowler than Warne, but he isn't a crap bowler either, and his record should not be snubbed with such disregard that you and many other posters on this forum seem to do.

 

[tooextracool]

He has bowled perfectly well when Warne hasn't been in the side. Take out one poor series against India (hey, everyone has a bad series, Warne has had his fair share). MacGill has bowled well against Windies and England, and was actually chosen ahead of Warne during the Windies Series in '99 - remember that?

I'm not saying here, that MacGill is a better bowler than Warne, but he isn't a crap bowler either, and his record should not be snubbed with such disregard that you and many other posters on this forum seem to do.

ive never actually said that he was crap bowler. ive actually on several occasions gone against people who have called him crap. im simply arguing against the people who say that hes world class and the genius who thinks hes better than warne.
with regard to the poor series without warne, he was hammered in the ashes and in the WI bar the one game on a turner. and whether or not he was picked ahead of warne 6 years ago wasnt surprising, given that warne was going through an extremely poor patch of form and most people thought he was finished.

 

[Tom Halsey]

But now he's back in to it and he's as dangerous as ever.

On evidence of one Test at the spinning SCG.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Fortunately, that's no basis for assessing cricketers because if it was, people like Warne, Steve Waugh, and Ian Botham would be at the bottom of every heap. As cricketers, they're great. As human beings, well that's another story.

All of those are decent people who have put lots into charity.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Macgill has had to put up with this 'crap balls get your wickets'... stuff all his career, how about for once you people sit back and admire him for what he is, one of the best strikers in the modern game

He's admitted it before - I remember him admitting it in commentary in England, I think it was 2002.

 

[Tom Halsey]

There was an article somewhere (can't remember where) where someone analysed both bowlers. They said that MacGill bowls a more traditional leg spinners line on middle and off that pretty much makes the batsman play each ball therefore trying to get a wicket each ball. Whereas, Warne bowls to plans and bowls a less tradition leg spinners line outside and on leg and doesn't try to get the batsman out every ball, but works to a plan to get them out.

Erm, MacGill's line is to me alot more outside off, and doesn't make the batsman play much at all. Batsmen padding up to Warne had better do so carefully as his line is always close to leg.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Australia wouldnt go with 5 bowlers though

They used to, but they wouldn't now - Bevan doesn't bowl anymore and is past it as a batsman. When they used to play Bevan, they had 2 spin options, 3 seam, and 7 batsmen.

 

[Mister Wright]

Erm, MacGill's line is to me alot more outside off, and doesn't make the batsman play much at all. Batsmen padding up to Warne had better do so carefully as his line is always close to leg.

Give me your address, I'll send you my glasses, that might help.

 

[chaminda_00]

Compare MacGill with other spinners not Warne, there is no doubt that day in day out Warne is a better spin bowler. But if u compare MacGill to guys like Giles and vettori who are good spin bowlers, he is so much better. MacGill might bowl the odd bad ball but he bowls more wicket taking bowls then those bad balls. It might appear that MacGill gets wickets from full tossers but those wicket are more to do with the extra amount of spin he gets, therefore making it harder to drive him.

I don't understand why people under-rate him and under value his performances. If he was given 30 to 50 more tests he would go down as one of the top ten spin bowlers in history.

I on the issue of him out lasting the other spin bowlers in Australia, i can't see it happening. Sooner or later White or Hauritz are going to be given a go in the ODI team. When this happen they will improve as bowlers and get infront of MacGill in the selectors eye, if they haven't already (Indian Tour Sqaud)

 

[SJS]

Erm, MacGill's line is to me alot more outside off, and doesn't make the batsman play much at all. Batsmen padding up to Warne had better do so carefully as his line is always close to leg.

Really.

Then how come MacGill has 1 in every 3(32.3%) of his victims clean bowled while for Warne the ratio is 1 in 15(6.6%) !!

If you add up the clean bowleds and the Leg Before decisions the percentages are :

MacGill 42.0 %
Warne 23.7%

Surely this says something about their line ?

 

[Pratters]

They used to, but they wouldn't now - Bevan doesn't bowl anymore and is past it as a batsman. When they used to play Bevan, they had 2 spin options, 3 seam, and 7 batsmen.

By five bowlers, erm, 5 specialist bowlers. Bevan was never a specialist bowler. Australia would never play 5 bowlers as in MacGill and Warne and 3 genuine pacers in say McGrath, Kasporqicz and mullett.