Shoaib Akhtar = awesome

[Richard]

i love his runup to the crease, its one of the most intimidating.
But he aint a great-yet.
To be a great, you gotto succeed against all commers in all the opportunities you've had.
Akhtar bombed bigtime versus India.
Just coz he's made a bunny outta flat track bully Matty Hayden doesnt suggest he is a great.

Akhtar's good spells have been getting longer every time they've occurred.
Still, he's yet to have a consistent year even.

 

[dinu23]

Akthar is a superb bowler, no question about that. the problem is he's the only bowler in the pakistan team who can exert pressure on batsmen. after bowling about 5 overs Akthar has to be taken off because he gets tired. if he can find a solution to that he will be a much grater threat.

 

[Richard Rash]

Arrogance is mostly a vital quality of the best leaders - even if not neccesarily obvious (indeed, it can be better if it's not).
Fleming possesses it in abundance, as do Ponting, Smith and Ganguly.
Which is why they're such good captains. Cronje had it aplenty, to name one other. Sir Alex Ferguson's greatness is helped by his arrogance.
Of course, it's not totally indispensible - as exampled by the like of Vaughan and Inzamam-Ul-Haq (who I actually rate as a pretty decent captain).

Give me an example of Stephen Flemings arrogance

 

[bryce]

he is very modest is fleming, he must mean something to do with arrogance in stuff he does on the field, i.e the way he bats or tactics in the field - because he is definatley not an arrogant person

 

[Richard Rash]

he is very modest is fleming, he must mean something to do with arrogance in stuff he does on the field, i.e the way he bats or tactics in the field - because he is definatley not an arrogant person

Yeah i guess so.. but i don't think arrogance is the right word i think he makes his presence felt on the field and commands respect through his proven ability as a leader.. certainly not arrogance. Hard Nosed maybe

 

[bryce]

yeah i wouldn't use the word arrogant either, but i suppose the word is second nature for poms

 

[JC_088]

Fleming cannot be classed as 'arrogant'. I haven't seen him do anything to suggest that he is arrogant

 

[JASON]

Fleming cannot be classed as 'arrogant'. I haven't seen him do anything to suggest that he is arrogant

Agree with that 200% . Flem is the most gentlemanly of all cricketers !! And a very, very decent guy on and off the field !

Getting back on topic , I agree with most comments on this thread on Shoaib.

He's a class act and truly brilliant bowler to watch !!

Like Murali , when he bowls you expect things to happen !!

He's an absolute entertainer (like Murali) and value for money in terms of entertainment he provides on the field of play !

He gives it his best and is a true fighter . What more can a Team, Coach or Captain ask .

 

[Scallywag]

Fleming cannot be classed as 'arrogant'. I haven't seen him do anything to suggest that he is arrogant

Same with Ponting, call him arrogant if it helps you to deal with Australia's dominance but give some good examples of Ponting being arrogant.

 

[C_C]

Same with Ponting, call him arrogant if it helps you to deal with Australia's dominance but give some good examples of Ponting being arrogant.

numerous examples of Ponting's arrogance exists- most notably him underestimating the WI before the ICC champions trophy.

And i dont have a problem with OZ dominance-you can take your blatent LIES and go somewhere else.
I've never in any post attributed AUS victories to umpiring inconsistencies and stuff like that as you claimed- yet another example of your blatent LYING, scallywag.

 

[marc71178]

numerous examples of Ponting's arrogance exists- most notably him underestimating the WI before the ICC champions trophy.

And, of course, he was the only person who did that wasn't he?

 

[C_C]

And, of course, he was the only person who did that wasn't he?

he was the most condescending about it in my opinion.

 

[Scallywag]

he was the most condescending about it in my opinion.

whatever you say C_C

 

[bryce]

whenever i've heard ponting talk he sounds arrogant IMO

 

[C_C]

whatever you say C_C

aussie aussie aussie.
oi oi oi.

repeat that 10 times and then go to bed.

 

[Scallywag]

aussie aussie aussie.
oi oi oi.

repeat that 10 times and then go to bed.

whatever you say C_C

 

[marc71178]

he was the most condescending about it in my opinion.

And you wonder people accuse you of what they accuse you of when you make comments like this

 

[C_C]

And you wonder people accuse you of what they accuse you of when you make comments like this

how exactly would you define arrogance as, if not a perception of someone's behaviour ?

 

[marc71178]

The post I quoted highlights exactly why people have their opinion of you - out of just about every person who didn't really think WI had a chance, you've picked out 1.

 

[C_C]

The post I quoted highlights exactly why people have their opinion of you - out of just about every person who didn't really think WI had a chance, you've picked out 1.

murali and ponting were the most vocal about it but ponting was the most dismissive of it. to me, he comes across as arrogant, no the queit confidence of tugga.