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British - losers?

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
C_C said:
Rugby is more physical than NFL.
agreed
But it still cant match NHL in the physical aspect.
You get slammed around the entire game and a few open fights thrown in.
Takes a real tough cookie to survive that kinda punishment.
The thing that you have to remember with ice hockey, american football etc. is that they're SQUAD games - it's not the same team playing 60 minutes of ice hockey, they bring out different lines and specialist teams for power plays etc. and only the goaltenders are gonna stay on throughout. Also you don't actually get that many fights - mostly they're confined to meaningless games and rivalries.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
I don't care what's tougher. I will just stake a claim for rugby league as the greatest(well, 2nd after cricket) sport of all
 

Gangster

U19 12th Man
Buddhmaster said:
Still the rugby player. That queer picture won't fool me.
LOL. The football player in the picture is wearing an orange jumpsuit because he was on trial for...murder. Not just one murder mind you, double murder. So call him queer at your own risk...
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Gangster said:
LOL. The football player in the picture is wearing an orange jumpsuit because he was on trial for...murder. Not just one murder mind you, double murder. So call him queer at your own risk...
Just coz American football players are all psycho's doesn't make it tough
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Rugby union players would be harder anyways, all the stuff going on in scrums etc. and the way guys have to do something particularly nasty to get sent off.
 

Swervy

International Captain
Richard Rash said:
Mate there is only one position for all your big, fat, steroid pumped american football players and that is prop. They would not fit any other position and therefore the majourity of them wouldn't even get on the field
talking **** here mate...even a small running back in the NFL weighs 15 stone which is pure muscle....and he would be expected to run a 40 yard dash in about 4.2 seconds max...there is a Quarterback in the NFL (Daunte Culpepper) who is about 6ft 5 and about 17 stone, and is about the perfect specimen for playing a high impact sport with the abilty to run fast ..he can do 40 yards in about 4.2 seconds as well...even some of the 300lb plus players who play on the lines can run 40 in 4.7 (we are talking a guy well over 20 stone running the eqivalent of 100m sprint in say 12 seconds).. that amount of momentum and kinetic engery, on impact with a rugby player, of any code, would probably severly injure. ..also a wide receiver is quite often left out hanging waiting not only for the ball to get to him (he will be for the last few seconds of the play looking towards the ball)..as soon as he gets the ball, he is fair game for a 250lb (running extremely fast linebacker) to flatten him...the WR doesnt know when or from whereabouts quite often..some of that stuff a rugby player just wouldnt cope with physically

There is a reason for the padding..and that is because of the number of people who used to get killed in a season when there was no protection
 

Neil Pickup

Cricket Web Moderator
Back to subject, avoiding persons in particular for a moment, an issue with the general mentality of the British public is to love someone who doesn't win and hate someone who does.

This week on the Ceefax and Teletext letters pages the slagging off has been directed at Lennox Lewis, David Beckham and the England Cricket Team... For some reason people in this country seem unable to support someone who genuinely has the talent and extra mental level to reach the pinnacle of sport. Tim Henman's never going to be a world number one for any sustained period - unlike an Agassi, Federer, Sampras, yet is every housewife's hero. Lewis was undisputed World Heavyweight Champion, yet all people can say about him is "wouldn't have beaten Tyson in his prime".

It's a general attitude malaise that will spread towards the cricket team soon if they keep winning - or, more accurately, has spread, as the recent letters and several threads on this board whinging about selections show.
 

Langeveldt

Soutie
Neil Pickup said:
Back to subject, avoiding persons in particular for a moment, an issue with the general mentality of the British public is to love someone who doesn't win and hate someone who does.

This week on the Ceefax and Teletext letters pages the slagging off has been directed at Lennox Lewis, David Beckham and the England Cricket Team... For some reason people in this country seem unable to support someone who genuinely has the talent and extra mental level to reach the pinnacle of sport. Tim Henman's never going to be a world number one for any sustained period - unlike an Agassi, Federer, Sampras, yet is every housewife's hero. Lewis was undisputed World Heavyweight Champion, yet all people can say about him is "wouldn't have beaten Tyson in his prime".

It's a general attitude malaise that will spread towards the cricket team soon if they keep winning - or, more accurately, has spread, as the recent letters and several threads on this board whinging about selections show.

Good post, possibly the number one annoying thing about this place.. The inability to champion success.. Im expect the Boks will get some sort of apology if they get thrashed 5-0 in the tests..
 

maxpower

U19 Cricketer
I respect all sports even if I dont like em. I hate scoccer, but I aint gonna aruge with major population of the world on why I think it sucks. So lets respect all sports, coz rugby or NFL none of em are a walk in the park. I still think NFL is toughest, I've heard some some Aussie rules and a some rugby players not even make past the NFL team's training camps, although I think one team right now has an Aussie player who plays NFL as a kicker (not so physical).

p.s. BTW what is the original thread about ? is it Murali doesnot/does chuck thread ?
 
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Swervy

International Captain
maxpower said:
I respect all sports even if I dont like em. I hate scoccer, but I aint gonna aruge with major population of the world on why I think it sucks. So lets respect all sports, coz rugby or NFL none of em are a walk in the park. I still think NFL is toughest, I've heard some some Aussie rules and a some rugby players not even make past the NFL team's training camps, although I think one team right now has an Aussie player who plays NFL as a kicker (not so physical).
yeah darren Bennett is a punter for the Minnesota Vikings....has been talk that he may go to the NFL Hall Of Fame
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gangster said:
You guys had your fun for a long time. Say 450 years or so from 1500-1950. Now you're bad at pretty much everything. It's okay, these things go in cycles. It's America's turn to dominate. And in things America doesn't dominate, we authorize Australia to dominate for us.
hahaha, well, there's a difference between dominating and not inviting other countries to join in!
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
maxpower said:
Any country is allowed to play in NBA or Baseball (NBA is working on spreading the game into Asia), apart from last olympics US's dominance in basketball is quite evident. Even when baseball exhibition games are held on world level, US still dominates. Both the sports now have a lot of players from around the world participating in them.
I thought Cuba were better at basketball!?
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
SpaceMonkey said:
The fact of the matter is Tim Henman was just never good enough. He was a top 20 player yes (which in its own right was magnificent)...and so people expected him to win wimbledon. When in reality rarely did players outside the top 5 have chances to win any the big 4 majors.
Its also this disposition (mainly by the media) that all that matters is winning Wimbledon and then thats enough. When really we should be trying to produce players who can win on any surface. In all likelyhood if we did that eventually we'd produce a player who would win wimbledon anyway (but this time with a load of other none grass based events under his / her belt as well).
I agree that the England cricket team didn't seem to have that 'killer' instinct in the past. But tbh without players of skill you could have all the killer instinct in the world and it wouldnt be much help. Finally we're not only getting some steel but also the players who have the ability to match the best (no coincidence that they only both begin to happen together either).
Yeah, I think it refers more to an attitude of cautiousness that is present than to the people themselves for the most part. The cricket team have gone some way to changing that in their ranks - whereas previously it was noted that they seemed to play not to lose rather than to try and win, with a draw being a happy medium. From a personal point of view, I can't think of too many British sportspeople that I've watched throwing caution to the wind and just going for it, there's a more reserved attitude in the population as a whole and I think this is reflected in the attitudes we see on the sporting field - which stands to reason.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
benchmark00 said:
lol i totally disagree with that, rugby is far tougher than league, in league you get hit then you have a break, in rugby you get tackled then youre on the ground with people stepping on you.... although i think Aussie rules beats both of them.. for toughness, skill and excitement :D lol
The bit where people are laying all over each other looks tough, but the tackles in Rugby are rarely in the tough category..........more 'comical'. The old AFL hip and shoulder looked nasty, but they've toned that down a bit now haven't they?
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
tooextracool said:
not good enough? not long ago he beat both federer and roddick to win the masters. i beleive his head to head record against federer who is easily the best player in the world ATM is 3-6 to his advantage.
How often has he played him since he's risen to the top though? Hewitt had a good record against him too, but having played him a lot in the last year that's quickly turning around.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gangster said:
Here's a picture of a rugby player:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39936000/jpg/_39936575_worldrecord_getty.jpg

Here's a picture of a football player:
http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/sport/nfl/200002/01/389739d3060a6/RayLewis1.jpg

You pick whichever you want to back you up in a fight. I'll take the football player.

Also, I apologize for the gay remark. It was childish (if true) but I didn't realize you had such thin skin. Play some football, it oughta toughen that up a bit...
It's not about how large you are though, it's not going to stop them being put on their butts in league and they are useless if they can't tackle properly.

Plus, old mate there you've chosen for NFL won't trouble too many people as he seems to be on his way to prison! haha A 300+ pound NFL forward with a massive beer gut doesn't seem so tough to me, he wouldn't stay on the field long enough to cause a problem in the rugby codes cause they don't have a defensive team and an offensive team - no resting allowed.
 
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Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Gangster said:
LOL. The football player in the picture is wearing an orange jumpsuit because he was on trial for...murder. Not just one murder mind you, double murder. So call him queer at your own risk...
Well, in Australia we don't put toughness in a sport down to how many people its participants have murdered! :p
 

Swervy

International Captain
Son Of Coco said:
Well, in Australia we don't put toughness in a sport down to how many people its participants have murdered! :p
that said, the guy in the picture, Ray lewis is an absolute legend in the NFL....he got let off the hook by the way
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Gangster said:
Some think the lack of padding in rugby is homosexual in nature. WHy be tackled in pads when you can be tackled by a man and have his body be all over you? Gay rugby players... :D
Didn't Ian Roberts come out as a homosexualist whilst still playing?

I remember finding it slightly amusing he played for the North Queensland Cowboys :D
 

Camel56

Banned
maxpower said:
Any country is allowed to play in NBA or Baseball (NBA is working on spreading the game into Asia), apart from last olympics US's dominance in basketball is quite evident. Even when baseball exhibition games are held on world level, US still dominates. Both the sports now have a lot of players from around the world participating in them.
Please name the teams in the NBA or MLB that are from outside the USA and Canada. Id like to know because im pretty sure ive never seen a team from anywhere else.
So to call yourselves world champions after beating teams from two countries is a joke at best.
 

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