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Aussie ODI first XI

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Gilly
Haydos
Punter
Boof
Martyn (would have kept Bevan :( )
Symonds
Clarke
Warne (Watson if not Warne cos he has retired)
Lee (Ahead of Kasporwicz for ODIs)
Mullett
Pidgeon

Every one will question Watson at number 8 but he can bowl better than Hogg or Harvey and can come up the order maybe. Watson is a batting all rounder but if there is a good spin bowler or a better bowler who can bat a bit more decently, name him.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Í agree for the most part, but as much as I love Watson I just think he is wasted at 8, and would rather see Harvey in at 8 slogging and as a specialist one day bowler.

1. Gilchrist
2. Hayden
3. Ponting
4. Martyn
5. Symonds
6. Lehmann
7. Clarke (would love to see him higher, but there's no spot, and Lehmann will do better at 6 than 7)
8. Harvey
9. Lee
10. Gillespie
11. McGrath
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
Pratyush said:
Punter
Boof
Mullett
Pidgeon
How irritating. 8-)

Please write their real names or at least something remotely close like Gilly or Haydos. How would a passing fan know who the hell you were referring too. :ranting:
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
a massive zebra said:
How irritating. 8-)

Please write their real names or at least something remotely close like Gilly or Haydos. How would a passing fan know who the hell you were refering too. :ranting:
nopes..

you could write their real names if you find it so irritating.
 

Mingster

State Regular
A Massive Zebra,

Just for your pleasure, here is my NZ ODI 1st XV:

Skip
Skippy
Nat
Ham
Piggy
Macca
BG
Dan
Big Jake
Dazza
Wiz
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Mingster said:
A Massive Zebra,

Just for your pleasure, here is my NZ ODI 1st XV:
Skip
Skippy
Nat
Ham
Piggy
Macca
BG
Dan
Big Jake
Dazza
Wiz
I suppose four players ran off to the toilet?
And how do we not have a kiwi in there?

P.S. - dont say its extinct
 

andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Pratyush said:
Gilly
Haydos
Punter
Boof
Martyn (would have kept Bevan :( )
Symonds
Clarke
Warne (Watson if not Warne cos he has retired)
Lee (Ahead of Kasporwicz for ODIs)
Mullett
Pidgeon
i've never understood why justin langer, who's formed such an effective partnership with matthew hayden in tests, is not a regular in the australian one day side. the reason people would most commonly put forward is that he is a 'scrapper,' and that he bats too slowly. his attacking batting against the kiwis, however, proved that he can bat aggressively, with scores of 34, 215 and 46. in his 8 odi's, his strike rate is an impressive 88.88, higher than other aussie batsmen including martyn, lehmann and even ponting. granted he's played less games than them but surely he deserves a longer run.

of course, there's also the question of fitting him in. other than that, the team you named sounds impressive.
 
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andyc

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
Well, with Gilchrist opening, then one of the other 2 have to miss out.
true, but langer has been kept out of the australian odi side for many years, so surely an opening would have come up during that time that he could have filled.
 

Buddhmaster

International Captain
Langer will never be in the One Day team. Firstly because there is no need, they usually win anyway, and secondly because ODI's is a place to try out new Aussie talent, and Langer just doesn't need to play.
 

Sudeep

International Captain
andyc said:
true, but langer has been kept out of the australian odi side for many years, so surely an opening would have come up during that time that he could have filled.
Langer's List-A performances:

M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 172 165 16 5831 146 39.13 9 41 78 2

Sure, he's a good player - but the fact is there hasn't been an opening in the Australian top order for the past 5-6 years, nor there will be one for 3-4 years at least.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
andyc said:
true, but langer has been kept out of the australian odi side for many years, so surely an opening would have come up during that time that he could have filled.
But an opening where?

Opening only?
 

bryce

International Regular
Mingster said:
A Massive Zebra,

Just for your pleasure, here is my NZ ODI 1st XV:

Skip
Skippy
Nat
Ham
Piggy
Macca
BG
Dan
Big Jake
Dazza
Wiz
well i certainly wouldn't of picked wiseman in my ODI team
 

kwigibo

School Boy/Girl Captain
andyc said:
i've never understood why justin langer, who's formed such an effective partnership with matthew hayden in tests, is not a regular in the australian one day side. the reason people would most commonly put forward is that he is a 'scrapper,' and that he bats too slowly. his attacking batting against the kiwis, however, proved that he can bat aggressively, with scores of 34, 215 and 46. in his 8 odi's, his strike rate is an impressive 88.88, higher than other aussie batsmen including martyn, lehmann and even ponting. granted he's played less games than them but surely he deserves a longer run.

of course, there's also the question of fitting him in. other than that, the team you named sounds impressive.
It's not really a valid comparison, Martyn, Ponting and Lehmann, change their approach dramatically between the two games, Langer doesn't. He'll occasionally play a decent innings in a list A game, but not nearly often enough to warrant his selection ahead of a dozen domestic players. Agression in test matches is not the same thing, different fielding and bowling strategies, and just the all around nature of the game necessitate a style of play that Langer doesn't possess in sufficient quantity. Neither does Hayden for that matter. They're fine test players, but despite what you may have heard, that has next to nothing to do with ODI ability.
 

Scallywag

Banned
kwigibo said:
He'll occasionally play a decent innings in a list A game, but not nearly often enough to warrant his selection ahead of a dozen domestic players.
Looking at Western Australian cricket and the career of Langer I can only say that you must have a very limited knowlege of Langers domestic career kwigibo.

Langer has scored 5831 runs @ 39 with many match winning performances that have made Western Australia one of the most potent One Day teams. I cant think of a dozen domestic players that outshine Langer. ( M Hussey is the only non test player to have a better domestic ODI average than Langer.)

Langer was pidgeon holed as a slow batsman early in his career but he worked on scoring faster and turned that around at least five years ago. Some people still have yet to come around to the fact that Langer has matured into a batsman that may not be as pretty but is just as effective as any batsman playing.

Unfortunately there is no room in the Australian ODI team due to the make up including one extra bowler, but he has the capacity to play for Australia if required.

kwigibo said:
Agression in test matches is not the same thing, different fielding and bowling strategies, and just the all around nature of the game necessitate a style of play that Langer doesn't possess in sufficient quantity. Neither does Hayden for that matter.
I must admit I'm curious as to who you would replace Hayden with.

Perhaps in the last two games Australia could have done with a slower start and a steady build up with Gilly coming in with 10-15 overs to go. :D
 

Eclipse

International Debutant
In One day cricket Langer can get stuck in the mud occasional..

yeah most of the time he is more than aggresive enough but he puts in performances like 15 off 50 balls every now and then as well..
 

Crazy Sam

International 12th Man
no matter how well langer is batting he won't get into the side. The selectors have made the right decision to forget about him, a decision which I think is mainly because he doesn't bowl at all. the Australian squad is a very good squad and I think it will fire on all cylinders come the VB series.
 

Scallywag

Banned
Crazy Sam said:
no matter how well langer is batting he won't get into the side. The selectors have made the right decision to forget about him, a decision which I think is mainly because he doesn't bowl at all. the Australian squad is a very good squad and I think it will fire on all cylinders come the VB series.
Exactly Sam, Australia have 16-17 world class ODI players and any combination would produce wins for Australia. The quality sitting on Australias bench is amazing.
 

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