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Cricketweb poster with the best understanding of the game

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I must admit, I find lots of very good posters here. A very large proportion of the regulars are very good.

Sometimes, I wish some of them did not allow personal on-forum differences of opinions affect their views about the cricketers supported by their on-forum 'opponents'.

I personally find Top Cat and Slow Love the most rewarding to read and value their opinions.
 

garage flower

State Vice-Captain
Would be SJS and Slow Love for me. I'm sure many people are up with them in terms of their understanding of the game, but not many can match the eloquence and lucidity they generally bring to their posts.

It's nice to have an extremely knowledgeable West Indies fan on here as well (Liam/Mr M - obviously).
 

Dydl

International Debutant
SJS is always entertaining with his posts and has a great knowledge of the game IMO.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
its all very subjective, most of the people on here seem to be basing their opinion on whos watched more cricket, or who can talk more about what happened 25 years ago. IMO its not whos watched more, its whos watched more closely. people with good understanding of the game should be people who are capable of analysing performances by looking at technique,skill,temperament etc rather than just looking at averages and statistics or people who can just say that so and so player came up with so and so performance on a flat wicket. of course anyone whos watched that would be able to deduce that for himself, certainly it doesnt tell you anything about their knowledge of the game. its almost like a comparison between boycott and cozier. while cozier knows more about cricketing history, and about WI cricket, boycott is much better at analysing players and deciding on his own whether they are good or not. personally i do not respect comments from people who look at stats solely, anyone could do that. equally i dislike people who look at other peoples opinions, so called experts of the game, to decide whether someone is good enough or not. of course its fine to back your opinion occasionally with stats to prove your point, but certainly you've got to base your opinion largely on having watched the game or the player.
using these characteristics, i think i can narrow this list down quite a bit. of course i dont mean for any disrespect for those not on the list, certain mods for example i have hardly heard any off to decided whether they know anything or not. from what ive seen so far swervy seems to fit the categories mentioned above fairly well, in that he bases his analysis of players on watching rather than statistics. luckyeddie, on the rare occasion that he is on topic, has certainly shown that he is capable of analysing player performance based on the situation and conditions. richard occasionally shows that he can evaluate player based on the above characteristics. of course his occasional ridiculous ideas such as mcgrath/pollock getting lucky wickets, richardson struggling on seamer friendly ones, his entire theory about pressure are just annoying. however his theory about first chance averages is one that i like the most, makes plenty of sense to carry it out if it can be done accurately enough. not to forget of course an often forgotten member of the forum anzac, who despite his extremely long posts, usually posts some of the best analysis of batsmen technique and bowlers skill. badgehair, who hasnt been on here for a while, again posts quality information about players that is worth reading. that i think sums it up for my list. again for those not on the list, i do not mean any disrespect, i might just have forgotten to put your name on the list:p
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Jono said:
Top_Cat, Slow Love & SJS. SJS and Slow Love's post consist of blatant knowledge, and Top_Cat's post are always intelligent & awesome, whether it be regarding cricket or off topic discussions. I probably rate him as the best poster on the board.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
richard occasionally shows that he can evaluate player based on the above characteristics. of course his occasional ridiculous ideas such as mcgrath/pollock getting lucky wickets, richardson struggling on seamer friendly ones, his entire theory about pressure are just annoying.
The same thing.
McGrath and Pollock being lucky to get the figures they have on flat wickets is a result of my theory about the presence of pressure being misinterpreted.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Richard said:
The same thing.
McGrath and Pollock being lucky to get the figures they have on flat wickets is a result of my theory about the presence of pressure being misinterpreted.
Which in turn is based on the theory that only androids should be allowed to play international cricket.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Richard said:
The same thing.
McGrath and Pollock being lucky to get the figures they have on flat wickets is a result of my theory about the presence of pressure being misinterpreted.
or they could just bowl quite a lot of good balls on any type of wicket......see Adelaide for example.
 

JASON

Cricketer Of The Year
To me SJS is the number one pick as the poster with the best understanding of the game on this forum !!
Richard, Neil Pickup, Marc are my next choices !!

(On a personal note I like SJS because of his vast knowledge he brings to my personal favourite thread, the 'Can you beat the Cricket Guru thread' and the new thread that goes with his name 'New Cricket trivia' SJS format - thread !!) :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I would also nominate Biased Indian and Tapioca as other posters with a deeper understanding of the game than most !! :happy: :happy:
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Which in turn is based on the theory that only androids should be allowed to play international cricket.
Not so, and I've said why not 100 times or more.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Son Of Coco said:
or they could just bowl quite a lot of good balls on any type of wicket......see Adelaide for example.
Adelaide is an extraordinary exception to the last 3 years - I've never seen McGrath bowl that well on that type of pitch, and I've seen most of his Test-wickets in the last 3 years.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Richard said:
Adelaide is an extraordinary exception to the last 3 years - I've never seen McGrath bowl that well on that type of pitch, and I've seen most of his Test-wickets in the last 3 years.
I've seen the odd one or two myself, and while I'm not claiming that he bowls that well every time. He seems to do ok on more occasions than not......
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Richard said:
Adelaide is an extraordinary exception to the last 3 years - I've never seen McGrath bowl that well on that type of pitch, and I've seen most of his Test-wickets in the last 3 years.
I've seen the odd one or two myself, and while I'm not claiming that he bowls that well every time. He seems to do ok on more occasions than not......I wouldn't go as far as to say that him bowling well on a pitch with little assistance is an 'extraordinary' exception.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Well clearly our perceptions are different then - or the odd few games I've not seen have been the ones.
Not as impossible as some might think, that.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Richard said:
Adelaide is an extraordinary exception to the last 3 years - I've never seen McGrath bowl that well on that type of pitch, and I've seen most of his Test-wickets in the last 3 years.
oh yes and how poor he was on both of his last 2 tours to india......
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I didn't see either - and the first, I might add, was outside the period I've always referred to.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Richard said:
I didn't see either - and the first, I might add, was outside the period I've always referred to.
err the first was in 2001.
so lets see now, you've watched 9 series off mcgrath in his entire career, coincidentally you missed both those series where he bowled well in non seamer friendly conditions in india, called both the ashes series as seamer friendly, called both the aus-SA series as luck and anomalies, called the recent aus-NZ series as another anomaly, and basically only looked at his 2 poor series in the last 3 years which were against the WI and NZ in 01 and is only about 1/3rd of his career and said that all his wickets on non seamer friendly wickets were lucky. well done in proving your point.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
tooextracool said:
oh yes and how poor he was on both of his last 2 tours to india......
I don't think the Adelaide wicket was like any Indian wicket. The Indian wickets, especially during the pre-season, which is what September-October is, always offer quite a bit for fast bowlers. The early morning dew always freshens up the pitches and the first hour and a half are always great if you are a fast bowler. Plus, the pitches are so rough and the outfields rather unused, that you can start reverse swinging the ball after just 20-25 overs, at times. At least, after 30 overs, you will get reverse swing, which becomes very pronounced during the last session. Off the wicket, yes, there is very little, but all this help from the traditional and the reverse swing cannot be totally thrown out of the equation.


Having said all that, I still think McGrath is one of the best bowlers in the world while bowling on flat tracks. But it always seems as though he doesn't perform at his best if he gets hit early on. Gillespie seems the opposite to me. Everytime a batsman hits him for a four or six, he seems to come back harder. While McGrath seems better when he is on a roll, taking wickets and not conceding runs, than when he is concending a lot of runs.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
err the first was in 2001.
so lets see now, you've watched 9 series off mcgrath in his entire career, coincidentally you missed both those series where he bowled well in non seamer friendly conditions in india, called both the ashes series as seamer friendly, called both the aus-SA series as luck and anomalies, called the recent aus-NZ series as another anomaly, and basically only looked at his 2 poor series in the last 3 years which were against the WI and NZ in 01 and is only about 1/3rd of his career and said that all his wickets on non seamer friendly wickets were lucky. well done in proving your point.
Basically I said he hardly ever played in seaming conditions, and when he got wickets in almost every match on flat wickets I watched he got them because of poor strokes.
Nowhere near as complicated as you thought.
 

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