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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    bounce isnt exactly helpful for the bowlers. bounce is in fact more helpful for the batsmen because the ball comes onto the bat more. unless of course it is excessive bounce. which is why most of the pitches in australia of late(particularly in the ind-aus series) have been extremely flat, because they allow the ball to come onto the bat better and therefore its a lot easier to score runs.
    It doesn't always help the batters. The good bowlers usually can find an area of uncertainity where the batsman is never sure if he should be on the front or the back foot and generally, they go forward, because it is India and with the ball jumping up more, there is always a case for a catch behind the wickets, either at the slips or to the keeper himself. Plus, the spinners generally enjoy good bounce. So it is not as easy for the batters as you make it out to be. I agree that there can be tougher conditions for batting, it is certainly not that easy to make runs on bouncy wickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    which is precisely what im saying. by some extraordinary coincidence you've managed to watch only the games in which hes bowled poorly in, and them called him a lucky bowler for all his bowling performances since 2001.
    If it's some extraordinary coincidence only I'm sure it'll be ironed-out in the next couple of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani
    It doesn't always help the batters. The good bowlers usually can find an area of uncertainity where the batsman is never sure if he should be on the front or the back foot and generally, they go forward, because it is India and with the ball jumping up more, there is always a case for a catch behind the wickets, either at the slips or to the keeper himself. Plus, the spinners generally enjoy good bounce. So it is not as easy for the batters as you make it out to be. I agree that there can be tougher conditions for batting, it is certainly not that easy to make runs on bouncy wickets.
    which is what i said, only the quality bowlers can use these conditions to their advantage aka mcgrath and gillespie. but seriously good bounce only makes it better for the batsmen, because as i said earlier, bounce = ball coming onto the bat = quick runs. IMO there is a misrepresentation of wickets in australia and SA these days. both those conditions as of late have been the flattest in the world because they have just the right bounce at just the right pace for players to be able to play their shots easily.
    with regards to the catches behind the wicket, catches dont go behind the wicket with bounce, it is movement of the seam, in the air, angle etc that causes outside edges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    If it's some extraordinary coincidence only I'm sure it'll be ironed-out in the next couple of years.
    and i think the recent 2 series have done just that.


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    The 2 recent series have been part of the last 3 years.
    I didn't see any of the India games and I'll confess I didn't read about too much changing.
    The First New Zealand Test was typical, the Second not so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    The 2 recent series have been part of the last 3 years.
    I didn't see any of the India games and I'll confess I didn't read about too much changing.
    The First New Zealand Test was typical, the Second not so.
    i sometimes wonder where you read your match reports from? i recommend you look at mcgraths performance in that third test of the india series, because he bowled absolutely brilliantly in that one. from what i remember, almost every one of those wickets that he took in that game were off wicket taking balls that were absolutely unplayable.

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    Haven't read a thing on it.
    What was the pitch like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Haven't read a thing on it.
    What was the pitch like?
    i think honest bharani's defintion would be ideal for this wicket. it wasnt one of the slow wickets where the ball doesnt come onto the bat, it had pace and bounce and therefore the ball came onto the bat. there was a little movement of the pitch, but that was restricted to the new ball and particularly on the first day when there was fresh grass on the wicket. zaheer khan and the rest didnt use it well enough though.

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    If there was any real grass on the wicket it sums-up perfectly what I always say about McGrath - if there's any seam-movement in the pitch he'll exploit it better than just about anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    If there was any real grass on the wicket it sums-up perfectly what I always say about McGrath - if there's any seam-movement in the pitch he'll exploit it better than just about anyone.
    there was fresh grass on it on day one, when australia batted. if there is no grass on the wicket at all, it'll be a complete dust bowl by day 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    there was fresh grass on it on day one, when australia batted. if there is no grass on the wicket at all, it'll be a complete dust bowl by day 4.
    Not OOTQ in the subcontinent, not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    the answer would be because im not indian....
    Fair enough.

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    No, I meant the bounce coupled with the seam movement that is quite pronounced in the SG balls that we use in India. Plus, the extra bounce does create catching opportunities at gully and even at backward point and both of these positions are behind the wicket.


    And regarding the wickets in SA and Aus, I think they have the ideal bounce, which is different from high bounce, that you find at times, in places like Perth. When you talk of wickets with the ideal bounce, like the one now in Chittagong, then yes, batting becomes easier in those tracks than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Not OOTQ in the subcontinent, not at all.
    therefore it wasnt helpful for the bowlers,certainly not when mcgrath bowled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    Fair enough.

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