Scott Styris

[Craig]

In your opinion, is it time the New Zealand selectors made the bold move and drop him from the Test team for the upcoming home Test series?

IMO yes, for me he isn't really lifting his game when his team really needs it, and it seems to me he is lacking a lot of confidence, and maybe it would be better for him to go back to domestic cricket and get his confidence back and in form.

And if Peter Fulton gets some more runs on the board, it will be hard to leave him out. As far as I am concerned, he seems to be coasting thinking today he doesn't always need to make a big score, thinking the tail will get the runs, which is wrong.

I think Astle could do with a word on the shoulder and be told to lift their game.

 

[Buddhmaster]

I doubt they would drop him after he underperformed against Australia. Not many of his teammates did much more.

 

[bryce]

I doubt they would drop him after he underperformed against Australia. Not many of his teammates did much more.

right on, i don't know how you can single out styris.

 

[Arjun]

That would not be such a good move, since Styris is also a bowling option. No doubt an average of 50 is too much, but in helpful conditions, he can be quite a handful, getting the ball to move laterally. He can be a good support seamer and play in place of an extra bowler, maybe Martin. He is an aggressive player and gets runs in big shots but if he is lacking in confidence, he should be told to play his natural game and attack. He may not be getting runs, but nor is Matthew Sinclair, and he does nothing else.

How does Peter Fulton bat? Someone says he's an elegant strokemaker, but I have not seen much of him. That Bangla series doesn't reveal much, and given his average of over 40 (most NZ batsmen average slightly over 24 in FC), he's worth a watch. However, the top six misses one specialist batsman, which is where Fulton may be an option.

 

[Buddhmaster]

Yeh, if you were going to drop someone, it would be someone less experienced.

 

[Arjun]

On Cricketarchive's season-by-season breakup of his ODI batting figures, he was averaging 16 before the series in West Indies, 2002, and 36 afterwards. Any idea how his batting improved so much?

 

[Buddhmaster]

They went to Bangladesh.

 

[Arjun]

They went to Bangladesh.

Bangladesh? He averaged only 33 in 3 matches there!

 

[bryce]

these are the players i think really need to perform,

Mark Richardson

After England Series:
2685 runs@47.94

England Series:
369 runs@61.50

Since England Series:
91 runs@13.00, H/S:28

Nathan Astle

After India Series:
3592 runs@39.04

India Series:
172 runs@86.00

Since India Series:
314 runs@26.17, 2 fifties, H/S:64

 

[Mr Casson]

Mark Richardson looks like a boiled lobster.

 

[bryce]

On Cricketarchive's season-by-season breakup of his ODI batting figures, he was averaging 16 before the series in West Indies, 2002, and 36 afterwards. Any idea how his batting improved so much?

yep, he started of his ODI career as a bowler who batted at number 9 to try and slog some late runs.

 

[Arjun]

yep, he started of his ODI career as a bowler who batted at number 9 to try and slog some late runs.

His ODI figures since that series have been impressive- he averages 36 with the bat and 22 with the ball! Why doesn't he get more than 6 overs a match? But how did he improve from a part-time slogger to a batting mainstay?

 

[bryce]

His ODI figures since that series have been impressive- he averages 36 with the bat and 22 with the ball! Why doesn't he get more than 6 overs a match? But how did he improve from a part-time slogger to a batting mainstay?

i don't know actually i rate his ODI bowling very highly, ithink it is because there are normally alot of bowling options for NZ.
the turning point in scott styris' cricket career was without a doubt the west indies tour as you said,

Scott Styris in ODI's before West Indies tour 2002:

418 runs@16.07, H/S:48
38 wickets@39.94, B/B:4/30

Scott Styris in ODI's after West Indies tour 2002:
1448 runs@36.20
52 wickets@22.54

he always batted at number four for his state side ND but had never been tried there for NZ and was regarded as more of a bits and pieces player, i guess some players just love the pressures of international cricket.

 

[Macka]

No way should Styris be dropped. He has been pretty consistant over his short test career. He scores test centuries consistantly as well once he gets going, no one else in the NZ team does. In my view he has done very well since being asked to bat at 4 for NZ because of our lack of top-order players.

Sure he has been completely out-classed by the Aussies, but apart from Oram, who hasn't? He has had about 10 years in domestic cricket, I'm not sure him going back at this stage is going to achieve anything.

If anyone should make room for Fulton it would be Astle.

 

[Arjun]

There is talk of dropping Astle, Richardson, Sinclair or Styris, but why not drop a bowler? Chris Martin in particular doesn't look capable of causing too many problems to good batting sides. He bowls at slightly over medium-pace and doesn't have pace, seam or swing, and there already is Scott Styris to do what he does with the ball. Why not drop him? You would still have 5 bowlers- Oram, Franklin, Styris, Vettori, Wiseman/Butler, and there can be an extra batsman added.

 

[bryce]

since the next series against sri lanka is at home i think martin would be a decent selection given he averages 24 at home and over 40 away mainly because of the amount of seam movement he gets in new zealand.

 

[vic_orthdox]

anyone who bowls inswingers as their stock ball at test level = cannon fodder
therefore, chris martin = cannon fodder

 

[Macka]

There is talk of dropping Astle, Richardson, Sinclair or Styris...

They won't drop Richardson.

 

[Arjun]

They won't drop Richardson.

Some want him dropped- average of 17 since the England series....

 

[anzac]

On Cricketarchive's season-by-season breakup of his ODI batting figures, he was averaging 16 before the series in West Indies, 2002, and 36 afterwards. Any idea how his batting improved so much?

the same thing as what happened for Oram - they got a Test cap...............and had the opportunity to put an innings together..............both player's games have improved dramatically since heir respective debuts in the longer game.............