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Langer a great cricketer

Scallywag

Banned
Justin Langer can stand tall with the best batsmen in the world.

Not only has he forged one of the best opening partnerships in the history of cricket with Hayden he has also bought a toughness to the game that makes him one of the very best.

Like him or hate him you cant deny that he has been a major reason for Australias success in recent times. His never say die attitude puts most batsmen to shame and he is not afraid to take anyone on. When it comes to guts Langer is the toughest cricketer playing test cricketer but the down side to this is it makes him a target for sore losers who get jealous of his achievements.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Langer's a good opener. I agree with that.

"England, India and Pakistan do not in their history have a opener as good as him"
At least you didn't include that silly statement in your post again. :)
 

twctopcat

International Regular
He's a very good cricketer but one thing remains, he was Agarkar's bunny in the australian test series, 'nuff said.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Scallywag said:
Not good enough to get a game "nuff said"
If he's not good enough to get a game and yet Langer is his bunny (haven't doublechecked this) then doesn't that harm your argument of praise for Langer?
 

Scallywag

Banned
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
If he's not good enough to get a game and yet Langer is his bunny (haven't doublechecked this) then doesn't that harm your argument of praise for Langer?
No it spoils your argument that Langer is his bunny, Agarkar is not good enough to get a game never mind having a bunny.

Is that too hard to understand, Agarkar is not playing test cricket because Langer and co gave him a hiding.

Get it yet Mr Mxyzptlk Agarkar has no bunnies because he doesnt have the talent to have a bunny and the Indian selectors have acknowleged that fact.

:D
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
Scallywag said:
No it spoils your argument that Langer is his bunny, Agarkar is not good enough to get a game never mind having a bunny.

Is that too hard to understand, Agarkar is not playing test cricket because Langer and co gave him a hiding.

Get it yet Mr Mxyzptlk Agarkar has no bunnies because he doesnt have the talent to have a bunny and the Indian selectors have acknowleged that fact.

:D
Well no, it means that Agarkar isn't talented enough that he can have many bunnies, yet he has dismissed Langer 5 times.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
superkingdave said:
Well no, it means that Agarkar isn't talented enough that he can have many bunnies, yet he has dismissed Langer 5 times.
Haven't McGrath and Gillespie dismissed Tendulkar 6 times each? I don't think he is their bunny.
 

Scallywag

Banned
If getting someone 5 times qualifies as having a bunny then look at McGraths list of bunnies

Atherton leads the charge with 19 dismissals @ 9runs
BC Lara (LHB) 13
JC Adams (LHB) 12 1 7 1 0 3 0 19.91 2 WI
SL Campbell (RHB) 11 1 2 4 0 4 0 10.54 3 WI
AJ Stewart (RHB) 10 2 3 2 0 3 0 23.70 1 Eng
MA Butcher (LHB) 9 1 5 1 0 2 0 13.44 2 Eng
N Hussain (RHB) 8 0 4 1 0 3 0 22.37 0 Eng
G Kirsten (LHB) 8 1 3 2 0 2 0 14.00 1 SA
CEL Ambrose (LHB) 6 0 5 0 0 1 0 4.50 1 WI
CL Cairns (RHB) 6 2 0 3 0 1 0 45.83 0 NZ
JH Kallis (RHB) 6 0 2 3 0 1 0 9.83 0 SA
SR Tendulkar (RHB) 6 1 1 1 0 3 0 22.16 2 Ind
Aamer Sohail (LHB) 5 2 1 2 0 0 0 29.60 0 Pak
S Chanderpaul (LHB) 5 2 2 1 0 0 0 18.80 0 WI
JP Crawley (RHB) 5 1 1 2 0 0 1 24.00 0 Eng
M Dillon (RHB) 5 2 0 2 0 1 0 4.40 3 WI
D Gough (RHB) 5 1 1 2 0 1 0 5.40 1 Eng
Ijaz Ahmed (RHB) 5 0 2 2 0 1 0 20.80 0 Pak
ST Jayasuriya (LHB) 5 0 2 0 0 3 0 8.40 2 SL
VVS Laxman (RHB) 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 82.40 0 Ind
MR Ramprakash (RHB) 5 0 4 1 0 0 0 45.20 0 Eng
GP Thorpe (LHB) 5 1 3 1 0 0 0 52.40 1 Eng
C White (RHB) 5 1 4 0 0 0 0 6
 

twctopcat

International Regular
He WAS his bunny, which was my point. Still hasn't cured his lack of feet against the swinging new ball IMO but nonetheless a good player.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
FaaipDeOiad said:
Haven't McGrath and Gillespie dismissed Tendulkar 6 times each? I don't think he is their bunny.
No they are not because look at the no. of times Sachin & Mcgrath have played against each other. I would say Dravid used to be Warnie's bunny until the 2000-2001 series. But Langer is definately Agarkar's bunny.

One more thing, Is Langer ever happy with the umpire's decisions when he is out ??
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Scallywag said:
Is that too hard to understand, Agarkar is not playing test cricket because Langer and co gave him a hiding.
Langer & Co. , Is that same as Langer ?? :-O
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Scallywag said:
If getting someone 5 times qualifies as having a bunny then look at McGraths list of bunnies

Atherton leads the charge with 19 dismissals @ 9runs
BC Lara (LHB) 13
Everyone knows Brian Lara is among McGrath's biggest hauls. The fact that McGrath is good enough to dismiss such quality batsmen so many times says something, therefore by you saying that Agarkar is not good enough to play Test cricket works against your boy Langer. Common sense sir.
 

C_C

International Captain
being a bunny is not just getting your wicket
I can get you 10 times outta 10 but if you score ten centuries and then get out to me, you aint my bunny.
Being a bunny involves dismissing someone consisntently and for low scores.

Rarely have we seen a batsman being a bowler's bunny throughout his career.
One that comes to mind is Atherton, who was consistently Ambrose and McGrath's bunny.
Or Cullinan who was Warne's bunny.
Some batsmen have been 'bunnies' to bowlers for a series or two.
Like Laxman being a bunny to Warne last series, Lara being a bunny to McGrath in 1997 and 2001, Langer being Agarkar's bunny in AUS, Ponting being Harbhajan's bunny in 2001, etc etc.

As per Langer being great, he is good....NOT great.
Great is a title i reserve for the best of the best. Greats are ones who can rub shoulders with the best of the best...like Sobers,Imran Khan,Miller, Lillee,Akram,Marshall,Viv,Lara, Holding, Knott, etc etc.

From the current OZ lineup, the 'great ones' are Hayden,Ponting, McGrath, Warne and Gillchrist. The rest are good but not great.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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It has to be considered sensibly though, because a bowler who comes on 3rd or 4th change may face a batsman who has 100 or so runs and gets him out surrendering 5 or so runs off his own bowling. In fact, a batsman can score 36 runs and then get out to the first ball he sees from an opening bowler (at the other end of course). It's all relative. Brian Lara has been Glenn McGrath's bunny over his career, but Lara has also played some fabulous innings against McGrath and co.
 

C_C

International Captain
I dont think Lara has been McGrath's bunny throughout his career....that implies that every single series McGrath had the better of Lara....
which isnt true......Lara clobbered McGrath in that epic 1999 series and he clobbered him again last year in the caribbean.
And yes, a batsman CAN score a 100 before his 'nemesis' comes on...but that is highly unlikely or due to inepet captaincy.
The 3rd or 4th bowler is introduced around the 15th-20th over normally( after the opening combo have bowled 7-10 over spells).....
and for a batsmen to score a ton before the 4th bowler comes on means getting to his ton before the 15-20 over mark...which is highly unlikely, even if he hogs 80% of the strike.....
Besides, normally if you are a bowler's bunny, you get to face him very quick....
Ponting was Harbhajan's bunny in 2001 and Harbhajan is usually the 1st change bowler, comming on after the 15 over mark or so....but whenever an opener fell, Harby was on immediately for Punter.....
The only way you are getting to 30-50 before your 'bunnifier' gets a swipe at you is if you score extremely fast and/or the opposition cappo becomes daft.
 

Scallywag

Banned
Looks like McGrath has a rabbit farm in England.

If Langer averages 26 against Ajarkar and you call that a bunny how do you rate Vaughan who only averages 9 against McGrath, do you call him super bunny.

Thats what a bunny is, someone who gets out to a bowler without scoring much and Vaughan is a classic example of a bunny but remember Langer scores three times as much as Vaughan.

Thats why McGrath is still playing because he has a bunny in Vaughan and thats why Ajarkar is not playing because he has no bunny.

Look up the stats and you will see that Vaughan is what everyone calls a bunny and compare that to Langers stats and you will see that your clutching at straws to find something to try and degrade Langer.

So there you go Vaughan is a bunny and Langer is not a bunny.
 

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