Langer a great cricketer

[marc71178]

I have allways thought how many many matches you play and the amount of runs you score were the only things that mattered in test cricket.

So why did you bring Strike Rate into it?

 

[marc71178]

im afraid not, when you have a team filled with stroke makers, you definetly need a couple of players who can save a game for you too.

A point that so many people tend to overlook.

 

[marc71178]

I cant see to much difference between the players, what Dravid has is 30 odd extra innings,

Which when it suits you seems to be a significant factor

 

[Prince EWS]

Averages is a combination of both matches played and runs scored and you need to see the two to understand the average.

Two players can have an average of 45 but if one player has played 78 innings compared to 14 you would give more credit to the player with 78 innings. Its not allways that black and white and its not to say one player is better than the other but it gives more perspective to what they have done.

Players can only score runs against the bowlers they face and its what you do when you play that matters.

I undersatdn that runs scored and matches played translate into averages.

But I dont take simple stats such as runs scored or matches played in when evaluating how good a player is/was.

If two players average the same, and faced the same qualit of opposition, and one has 78 innings and one has 14, I rate them both the same.

 

[Scallywag]

Which when it suits you seems to be a significant factor

Really, I said this was a significant factor did I.

Did you read my post Marc or are you talking about something else.

 

[Scallywag]

So why did you bring Strike Rate into it?

Well if you read what I wrote Marc I gave a comparision between the two players stats. You point makes no sense at all except to say you want to find something to complain about.

 

[Scallywag]

I undersatdn that runs scored and matches played translate into averages.

But I dont take simple stats such as runs scored or matches played in when evaluating how good a player is/was.

If two players average the same, and faced the same qualit of opposition, and one has 78 innings and one has 14, I rate them both the same.

No hassles with that Prince EWS, we just have different ways of evaluating players performances.

 

[SJS]

Taking the bait:

present day legends: McGrath Warne Tendulkar Dravid Inzamam Muralitharan Jayasuriya Lara and the Hayden/Langer partnership

present day greats: Hayden Langer (individual) Ponting Martyn Clarke Gillespie Sehwag Laxman Kumble Harbhajan Gayle Sangakkara Pollock Kallis Gibbs Harmison Flintoff Shoaib Youhana Fleming

Which is, of course, all totally inconsequential to this thread other than to put me firmly in the Langer Fan Camp. Which I am not ashamed to admit. He is my favourite cricketer, ooh yeah.

WOW !!

Now we can add the legends and the greats of this day and time and make two touring sides of 14 each of GREAT CRICKETERS !! Just imagine, all playing at the same time ?

FANTABULASTIC !!!!

PS : You think you could squeeze in a guy called Adam something Gilchrist. I mean he may not be as good as Sangakara in your books but it would help having two keepers in two all time great sides

 

[Son Of Coco]

err no, if anyone has benefitted from flat tracks and poor bowling its that man right there....

I think that pretty much makes the whole thread redundant then.....

 

[tooextracool]

I think that pretty much makes the whole thread redundant then.....

err no, there are several players even in the modern era who have proven that they can succeed against seamer friendly conditions and quality bowlers. even his opening partner has.

 

[Jnr.]

Haydens highest score in England against 197, out of three centuries against England

That wasn't in England - that was at the Gabba on a flat track when Hussain put us in after winning the toss.

And besides, he was dropped 3 times.

 

[Scallywag]

That wasn't in England - that was at the Gabba on a flat track when Hussain put us in after winning the toss.

And besides, he was dropped 3 times.

Yes thats the game when Hayden made two centries and England lost 20 wickets for 375runs.

 

[Jono]

I disagree about Richardson being better then Langer.

SirBloody Idiot, get your butt into the Off Topic forum and post in the Official Pro-Wrestling Thread If I remember correctly you were the guy that backed me up against all the Triple H lovers, so get in there.

 

[Steulen]

WOW !!

Now we can add the legends and the greats of this day and time and make two touring sides of 14 each of GREAT CRICKETERS !! Just imagine, all playing at the same time ?

FANTABULASTIC !!!!

PS : You think you could squeeze in a guy called Adam something Gilchrist. I mean he may not be as good as Sangakara in your books but it would help having two keepers in two all time great sides

Okay, add Gilchrist to the legends

So what's the problem with there bein al ot of great cricekters aorund? there are a lot mroe cricketers around now than when just some skinny white boys sialed the oceans to club some balls every two years, stands to reason there are more GREAT cricketers as well.

I really can't see who will not be considered a legend from that list. Admittedly the great list is part speculation, but still...

Just because the level of cricket is high, doesn't mean those who play it suk

 

[Scallywag]

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,11558128-23212,00.html

[Hayden] is still a class player and has made more than 5000 runs, but I have always said that Langer has an edge over every opener in the world because he is a stayer," Shoaib said.

"Langer is the best opening batsman I have seen because he is so difficult to get out."

 

[KennyD]

Shoaib is so full of sh*t. Hes not the one whos gonna be targeting Hayden, Hayden's the one whos gonna be targeting Shoaib's head with a flat straight drive for 4.

 

[SJS]

Just because the level of cricket is high, doesn't mean those who play it suk

I beg your pardon. I stand corrected. If the only three types of cricketers we have are the legends, the greats and those who suk (sic), I agree 75% of international cricketers today are either greats or legends.

 

[Scallywag]

Shoaib is so full of sh*t. Hes not the one whos gonna be targeting Hayden, Hayden's the one whos gonna be targeting Shoaib's head with a flat straight drive for 4.

I think its great that he is targetting Hayden. A good chance to see how the Aussies react to this type of intimidation. If Shoiab does get the better of Hayden then we can expect the Poms to line up a few batsmen for targetting.
Hayden also has an added dimension to this series now he is a target.