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[garage flower]

let me put it this way, if you were a world class swimmer, the best ever, and along came a kid that had an accident as a kid and his feet were replaced with flippers, hardly his fault, yet it makes him a cheat....

maybe not the best example, but i guess you get my point....

One last go then.

Yes I understand your point, but isn't that an "unfair" advantage rather than cheating.

I'm not precisely sure which, if any, aspect of Murali's physiology gives him an "unfair" advantage (you seem to be focusing on the bent arm), but what we're supposed to be debating is whether Murali is "a cheat".

I don't think an in-built physiological advantage would constitute cheating and thus perhaps justify some of the vitriolic abuse you and others have dished out.

 

[Dasa]

scientists havent made this game what it is today, so they have no right to change it, you can tell with the naked eye that murali throws the ball, and 95% of test bowlers you cant...

So, Murali is a cheat because he has an unfair advantage bowling with a bent arm? If so, don't the other chuckers also have an unfair advantage?
Alternatively, none of them have an unfair advantage, so what's wrong with Murali then? It is irrelevant whether you can tell they're chucking or not with the naked eye, the issue is cheating, and if they're gaining an unfair advantage, they're cheating. SO which is it, are they all cheats?

 

[twctopcat]

let me put it this way, if you were a world class swimmer, the best ever, and along came a kid that had an accident as a kid and his feet were replaced with flippers, hardly his fault, yet it makes him a cheat....

maybe not the best example, but i guess you get my point....

So murali should have stayed at the Charles Xavier school for "special" kids instead of being allowed to play. He should be banned because of something he can do nothing about i.e his dna. Let the guy play for gods sake.

 

[Scaly piscine]

let me put it this way, if you were a world class swimmer, the best ever, and along came a kid that had an accident as a kid and his feet were replaced with flippers, hardly his fault, yet it makes him a cheat....

maybe not the best example, but i guess you get my point....

What about if you grew to a freak height... say 6ft 6 and bowled with a hyper-extension which meant you could bowl 80+ mph without much extra effort meaning you had a more consistent action and could therefore bowl more accurately and with more control than other bowlers?

 

[Neil Pickup]

No, it wasn't. Because this bloke with flippers has just turned up and is called Ian Thorpe...

Dammit, beaten to it.

 

[Simon]

So murali should have stayed at the Charles Xavier school for "special" kids instead of being allowed to play. He should be banned because of something he can do nothing about i.e his dna. Let the guy play for gods sake.

well yeh, if he gets an unfair advantage from his "disability" he shouldnt be allowed to play...

 

[twctopcat]

He's a wrist spinner remember, not an elbow spinner.

 

[Neil Pickup]

well yeh, if he gets an unfair advantage from his "disability" he shouldnt be allowed to play...

It's official. Everyone must look the same.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

And everyone must bowl like Ramnaresh Sarwan...

 

[Majin]

And everyone must bowl like Ramnaresh Sarwan...

Damn straight they should.

I guarantee you, if Murali was Australian, every Australian would be up in arms fighting tooth and nail, "HE'S NOT A CHEAT HE'S AMAZING YOU PEOPLE CALLING HIM CHEATS SHUT THE HELL UP BLAH BLAH BLAH"

It's the same for every other nation as well. The fact is, Murali is a superb bowler, and any team would consider themselves lucky to have him, and if they could they'd use him. And then oh yes, every Aussie or Indian or Kiwi or Englander would be right up him, he'd be the best thing that ever happened, and the Sri Lankan's would probably be mouthing off about him being a chucker. The more bowlers that can do the batsmen in the better I say.

 

[Simon]

Damn straight they should.

I guarantee you, if Murali was Australian, every Australian would be up in arms fighting tooth and nail, "HE'S NOT A CHEAT HE'S AMAZING YOU PEOPLE CALLING HIM CHEATS SHUT THE HELL UP BLAH BLAH BLAH"

It's the same for every other nation as well. The fact is, Murali is a superb bowler, and any team would consider themselves lucky to have him, and if they could they'd use him. And then oh yes, every Aussie or Indian or Kiwi or Englander would be right up him, he'd be the best thing that ever happened, and the Sri Lankan's would probably be mouthing off about him being a chucker. The more bowlers that can do the batsmen in the better I say.

umm no, fact is hes not an Australian, and in general quite a few of us think hes a cheat....

 

[Slow Love™]

umm no, fact is hes not an Australian, and in general quite a few of us think hes a cheat....

This post earns broncoman the "missed the point completely" award.

 

[marc71178]

And confirms exactly what a lot of people have either thought or said.

 

[honestbharani]

I would like to know what broncoman thinks about certain other cheats. A certain spinner (of whom I am a big fan of, BTW) who used drugs, who gave info. to a fixer and then said he was "naive and stupid" along with another one who is now butting into the Indian cricket affairs when no one really cares.

 

[Swervy]

I would like to know what broncoman thinks about certain other cheats. A certain spinner (of whom I am a big fan of, BTW) who used drugs, who gave info. to a fixer and then said he was "naive and stupid" along with another one who is now butting into the Indian cricket affairs when no one really cares.

this irritates me ...

now I personally dont regard Murali as being a cheat, I think he is a brilliant bowler (and a top bloke as well)....but since when was Warne ever a cheat..did he match fix? NOPE Was it ever proven he took performance enhancing Drugs??NOPE etc etc.

He may be of questionable character, but that doesnt mean the guy is a cheat