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Leadership of Indian cricket
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thirdumpire
School Boy/Girl Captain
India apparently appointed MAK Pataudi as captain when he was 21 years old ....
tooextracool
International Coach
yes because ganguly with his brilliant average of under 20, turned the series upside down and inside out didnt he?
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I don't think it was Sourav's captaincy which cost India the series. Plus he played one good knock, got ran out by his partner in another and 'walked' in the third.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Nah mate, the whole team did.Sanz said:Oh He didn't lose the series, It was Dravid.
And regarding Kaif, he's obviously not a short-term solution to the captaincy. But if/when Ganguly does give up captaincy or retires or whatever, I think Dravid should take it with Kaif promoted to vice captain to prepare for what will eventually (IMO) occur, Kaif being promoted to captain. I don't see Sehwag or Yuvraj leading, and though Pathan is an option, I think Kaif is the man for the job. This is long term as I said.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Sorry, I just do not see Dravid as a good captain. He is too soft, definitely. I can't see him going up to so-and-so and tell them that they have to score runs in this match or else they will be dropped. I don't think he defends his players as well as Sourav either. At times, during interviews as captain, he just looks lost. Trust me, he lives in my city, I love his batting and his value to the side and his attitude to the game, but captaincy, no, I do think that Laxman or even Kumble would be a better option.
masterblaster
International Captain
Dravid lives in Chennai?
I thought he lived in Bangalore....
I thought he lived in Bangalore....
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
He has a house in Chennai and I think he worked for India Cements and stayed at Chennai at that time.
garage flower
State Vice-Captain
But that's the entire point Marc, that others also seem to have missed. Is Ganguly worth his place as a batsman and, if not, is there a suitable alternative captain or would it be worth weakening the batting to retain Ganguly for his captaincy skills?marc71178 said:
This will be a big issue if Ganguly fails against South Africa.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
Tendulkar- He was made captain at the wrong time, and he was not given a fair try. This was the quote of Sir Garfield Sobers, who has been part of a great team, and a great player himself. However, having a great player helps the team a lot, as was the case with Sanath, Akram and Lara. It still depends on form- if he's in form, the team plays well.
Ganguly- He is described as an aggressive leader, who defends his players, and sticks to his decisions. However, if the team lacks great players, it backfires once too often. He does not adjust to changing situations, even when the pitches don't suit his team and his players don't perform. He is not the best strategist either, and very predictable. That is why the Indian team under him has not won too many tounraments. For FOUR years.
Dravid- many mistake him for being too soft, and not aggressive enough, but that is just an image. He is a very clever captain, which not too many notice. In a match where there were few overs left, and quick runs were needed, Dravid sat out and promoted the fast-scoring Yuvraj and Agarkar ahgead of himself, and it worked. He brought on spinners a lot earlier in ODI's and the ball got a little too slow for the openers. His innovative, out-of-the-box thinking is his main strength. As for his batting form, he is a world-clas player, and one of the best batsmen of this era, and this should not affect his batting. After all, it is a matter of just a few matches. Comlpaints were made about Vaughan's captaincy and its effect on his batting, and he silenced his critics this year. Dravid is a far better player than Vaughan.
Laxman- He has the best cricketing intelligence and sticks to what's best for that situation, in the match. Reputed journalists and experts tip him as a future captain, because of this. He has done well as a captain of his state side, so he has experience. There may be some asking if he is a certainty in the side- he is a better player than the Indian team's regular captain.
Kumble- The Indian team, as a bowling unit, will benefit. He sets attacking fields, and does not give away easy runs. A hard trier on the field, he can be effective as a captain, when given a chance. He should not be branded 'less than a certainty'- he is the team's strike bowler.
Sehwag- An aggressive player will make a good captain, but only when in form. He too think out of the box, and the character that he is, he does not mind taking the attack to the opposition. He has not been given many chances at captaining the Indian side, and must turn out for the rest of the domestic season as Delhi's captain..
Kaif, Harbhajan- These two are not certainties, and are too hot-tempered.
Pathan, Karthik- These are rank outsiders.
Ganguly- He is described as an aggressive leader, who defends his players, and sticks to his decisions. However, if the team lacks great players, it backfires once too often. He does not adjust to changing situations, even when the pitches don't suit his team and his players don't perform. He is not the best strategist either, and very predictable. That is why the Indian team under him has not won too many tounraments. For FOUR years.
Dravid- many mistake him for being too soft, and not aggressive enough, but that is just an image. He is a very clever captain, which not too many notice. In a match where there were few overs left, and quick runs were needed, Dravid sat out and promoted the fast-scoring Yuvraj and Agarkar ahgead of himself, and it worked. He brought on spinners a lot earlier in ODI's and the ball got a little too slow for the openers. His innovative, out-of-the-box thinking is his main strength. As for his batting form, he is a world-clas player, and one of the best batsmen of this era, and this should not affect his batting. After all, it is a matter of just a few matches. Comlpaints were made about Vaughan's captaincy and its effect on his batting, and he silenced his critics this year. Dravid is a far better player than Vaughan.
Laxman- He has the best cricketing intelligence and sticks to what's best for that situation, in the match. Reputed journalists and experts tip him as a future captain, because of this. He has done well as a captain of his state side, so he has experience. There may be some asking if he is a certainty in the side- he is a better player than the Indian team's regular captain.
Kumble- The Indian team, as a bowling unit, will benefit. He sets attacking fields, and does not give away easy runs. A hard trier on the field, he can be effective as a captain, when given a chance. He should not be branded 'less than a certainty'- he is the team's strike bowler.
Sehwag- An aggressive player will make a good captain, but only when in form. He too think out of the box, and the character that he is, he does not mind taking the attack to the opposition. He has not been given many chances at captaining the Indian side, and must turn out for the rest of the domestic season as Delhi's captain..
Kaif, Harbhajan- These two are not certainties, and are too hot-tempered.
Pathan, Karthik- These are rank outsiders.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
TEC, What was the average of Mike Brearly as Captain ? (Ganguly is no Mike Brearly ofcourse). Fact is that Ganguly cant be fired for the loss of this series because he was captain in only 2 of the tests.tooextracool said:
Since you are talking about averages, what was Dravid's average again ? IMO someone named Irfan Pathan and AAgarkar had better average than him.
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garage flower
State Vice-Captain
Fair enough, I'd probably agree. Yuvraj and Kaif have knocked on the door, but probably need to smash it to smithereens to put real pressure on Ganguly.marc71178 said:
Still, with Tendy, Dravid and Laxman (I can't believe people have questioned his place on other threads) likely to hold down 3 spots in perpetuity, potential specialist middle-order bats only have 1 realistic target.
Though Ganguly's spirit and feistyness seem to have imbued India with a little more fire and belief in recent years, I'm not sure he's tactically astute enough, should his batting decline, to justify inclusion as a Brearley-esque specialist captain.