and what is butler going to be ? the aussies would love to face butler he will provide them with so many scoring opportuinites and he rarely bowls wicket balls since he cannot really swing or seam the ball, i think martin is a must play in aussie because he can extract very could bounce, he can swing the ball and also hits the seam very nicely, i would even play kyle mills ahead of butler, they may not end up being very successful but the most likely scenario is that none of the new zealand bowlers will be(maybe vettori will be an exception).Andre said:IMO, bowlers like Martin and Tuffey will prove cannon fodder against the Australians.
personally, no matter how good his record has been so far, i dont think fleming should open. as ive said before hes a strokemaker, and generally strokemakers should bat at 3 or 4, and opening with richardson only makes things worse.Arjun said:Why open with Sinclair? Fleming had a better time opening, he opens in ODI's and he's a more reliable player than that one-innings wonder.
I think the first is the better line up . I don't think NZ can afford to play 3 fast bowlers and 1 spinner, and play Oram as an all rounder!! The batting will be weakened against a strong Aussie bowling attack!!Craig said:Richardson
Sinclair
*Fleming
Styris
Astle
H.Marshall
McCullum
Oram
vettori
Franklin
Butler/C.Martin
Or;
Richardson
Sinclair
*Fleming
Styris
Astle
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Franklin
Butler
C.Martin
Which one is the best line-up? The first XI is stronger batting wise, but only gives four bowlers plus the part-time stuff of Styris, but my second line-up is probably more balanced with more bowling options, but does Oram at 6 give a longer tail?
Just like Martin proved like cannon fodder against South Africa...Andre said:IMO, bowlers like Martin and Tuffey will prove cannon fodder against the Australians.
I thought that before the England tour - but he was clearly carrying a knock in that series, which is a contributory factor to his poor returns.Mister Wright said:I think Tuffey will surprise a few people.
1 series in which he got wickets against a very out of form side.Mingster said:Just like Martin proved like cannon fodder against South Africa...
Did you actually watch Martin bowl in that series? SA weren't out of form in that seres, Martin just bowled superbly, and at times unplayable deliveries. He had some troubles in England because of the differen conditions and the ball, which affected his ability to swing it. Martin's shown he can be a match-winner, worth trying against the Aussies with all their left-handers.marc71178 said:1 series in which he got wickets against a very out of form side.
Yes anyone can average 24 in NZ, doesn't mean everyone will. Of course if the pitches get better to bat on then that changes.Mingster said:So anyone can average 24 in NZ? Hmmm. Funny that Pollock, Ntini and among other Pakistan bowlers struggled last summer....
I can't believe how many NZers are actually keen on this.bryce said:yes that is true, fleming is at his best at number 3 and i think opening him against the aussies(in the test series anyway) would be wasting your best batting talent, IMO sinclair is playing more of a guinea pig role.
So what's his excuse for the first 11 Tests he played?Mingster said:He had some troubles in England because of the differen conditions and the ball, which affected his ability to swing it.
agreed in principal - but not in context of this series with this squad........tooextracool said:personally, no matter how good his record has been so far, i dont think fleming should open. as ive said before hes a strokemaker, and generally strokemakers should bat at 3 or 4, and opening with richardson only makes things worse.