Ganguly = Legend.. Dont u reckon

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I think Ganguly would prosper more as a batsman if he played as just that - a specialist batsman, not captain. He was a fine player until he took up the captaincy. The pressure certain has affected his personal game.

 

[thierry henry]

Ganguly is one of the all time ODI greats. Until recently his ODI record was better than Tendulkars, but their records have overlapped of late as Ganguly's form has slipped. Sourav still holds pretty much all of the all-time "fastest to" records between 3,000 and 9,000 runs. His form around the turn of the century is almost unparalleled in ODI history.

 

[SJS]

Ganguly is to India what Naseer was to England. .

But Nasser is no legend my dear.

 

[Sanz]

But Nasser is no legend my dear.

Depends who you ask, News I have been reading is that Nasser is already being considered as one of the best English Captains of all times and I am not surprised at all. He did really great with the team he had.

Even If I agree with you that Nasser is no legend, well It is hard to fill the shoes of likes of Mike Brearly and compare that to the Ganguly's.

 

[krishneelz]

who considers azzuradin a legend and if you do then i would say ganguly can be considered a legend but if your conception of a legend is a richard hadlee, dev, sir viv, crowe, marshell etc....(which i believe should be) Then ganguly could never be considered a legend but he could come under the category of demi/semi legend eg in the same stead of the likes of kirsten, mark waugh, fleming etc....

 

[Neil Pickup]

Depends who you ask, News I have been reading is that Nasser is already being considered as one of the best English Captains of all times and I am not surprised at all. He did really great with the team he had.

Even If I agree with you that Nasser is no legend, well It is hard to fill the shoes of likes of Mike Brearly and compare that to the Ganguly's.

Even so, he's a long shot off legend status.

 

[Jono]

Dravid is all technique and no heart.

What? I'm sure you're right, his knock at the Eden Gardens in 2001 and Adelaide in 2003 took no heart at all.

 

[Sanz]

What? I'm sure you're right, his knock at the Eden Gardens in 2001 and Adelaide in 2003 took no heart at all.

Yes two innings in 8 years really proves my point. Not to forget that in Adelaide Australia were without their top bowlers say Mcgrath, Warnie, Kaspa and a half fit Gillespie. Really so much heart.

 

[viktor]

and Ganguly's claim to fame being the 144 in Brisbane against a similar attack... or do you claim that since he has no technique, every run he makes is due to his intestinal fortitude??

 

[Sanz]

Even so, he's a long shot off legend status.

Only from an Indian's point of view, How many of the following cricketers, In your opinion, can be called as 'Indian Legends',

1. Kapil Dev
2. Sunny Gavaskar
3. Bishen Bedi
4. Bhagwat Chandrashekhar
5. Anil Kumble
6. Md. Azharuddin (Ignore match fixing issue)
7. Tiger Pataudi
8. Sachin Tendulkar
9. Ajit Wadekar
10. E. Prasanna
11. Ravi Shastri (Well, he isn't a legend really, still)
12. Lala Amarnath
13. Jimmy Amarnath
14. Subhash Gupte
15. Vinoo Mankad
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If you were presented the resume of the above, how many of the above can stand upto Sourav one to one both as a captain and as a player ?

The thing that goes against Sourav is his image, he is the most hated (or disliked) cricketer on the earth and most of it is because of Media. Trust me If he had done things like Warnie has done throughout his career, he would have been crucified.

 

[steds]

Ganguly is to India what Naseer was to England. Only thing is Ganguly was more successful especially in ODIs both as a batsman and as a skipper.

For many of us Indians, he is the best captain in our 50-60 year of cricket history and that's why he is a CRICKET LEGEND for us and you need to understand it from an Indian's perspective.

I never claimed Nasser was a legend, though. I doubt anybody does

 

[Sanz]

Please keep in mind that Sourav didn't lose this series, it was lost by Mr. I-CLICK-ONLY-AGAINST-PART-TIME-BOWLERS (aka Rahul Dravid).

 

[Neil Pickup]

I was saying that Nasser's a long shot off legend status even in the UK. I'd class him as a fighter - but he was never the kind of player who had legions of kids with his name on the back of their shirt (that's a fairly decent qualifer for "legend" in my book - someone like Botham or Flintoff - or Harmison if he keeps this up).

My knowledge of Indian cricket isn't as good as it should be - so I'm not going to comment on that list, as I'll probably say something stupid and uninformed. I wouldn't put Sourav quite up to that list, mind. Like you say, equal to Hussain.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Please keep in mind that Sourav didn't lose this series, it was lost by Mr. I-CLICK-ONLY-AGAINST-PART-TIME-BOWLERS (aka Rahul Dravid).

It was lost by the entire side.

 

[tooextracool]

If Ganguly had Dravid's technique, he would have been averaging in 70s. Dravid is all technique and no heart. Unfortunately Ganguly who is so strong mentally doesn't have a sound technique.

dont be stupid....you are the first person to ever make such a ridiculous claim. dravid has an excellent technique, brilliant temperament and excellent shot selection. if all it takes is technique to succeed at the international level than ramprakash and ganga would have certainly achieved great heights.

 

[Sanz]

I never claimed Nasser was a legend, though. I doubt anybody does

You would be surprised

"That is the sort of memory that anyone would want to leave: of a man who dug his country out of a hole." CMJ then even compared Hussain to past world leaders, due to his fighting qualities. "In his finest hours, if it is not to imbue him with too much glory, there could be something Churchillian about Hussain's defiance. He certainly played better when he felt he was engaged more in a war than a game of cricket. He guarded his wicket as if with a tiger's snarl and placed his scoring shots shrewdly."

"From dancing in the dark under the Ramadan moonlight in Karachi to the winning cover-drive against New Zealand at Lord's on Monday, Hussain lifted English cricket by its bootstraps and regained a nation's pride."

There are many who do consider Nasser as a legend, but I respect your opinion.

 

[tooextracool]

Ganguly is to India what Naseer was to England. Only thing is Ganguly was more successful especially in ODIs both as a batsman and as a skipper.

b/s, its fairly obvious to anyone that ganguly lacks in terms of intelligence on the field. have you even taken the time to look at some of ganguly's field placings instead of making such rubbish claims?
hussain has taken england from the dirt, they had no world class players at all, got them to beat pakistan and SL away from home, and put them back as one of the top test teams. ganguly has taken a bunch of world class players and got them to perform better away from home.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I agree with both comments you quote - but don't think either amount to legend status.

 

[tooextracool]

Yes two innings in 8 years really proves my point. Not to forget that in Adelaide Australia were without their top bowlers say Mcgrath, Warnie, Kaspa and a half fit Gillespie. Really so much heart.

neither of course did his 148 and 81 against an attack of pollock,donald,kulsener in his prime and macmillan in SA. nearly won them that game too.
or for that matter his 3 100s in england.....
or his 76 in the recent series against NZ in NZ, where the next best score in that inning was 19.

short term memory can be amazing cant it?

 

[tooextracool]

Please keep in mind that Sourav didn't lose this series, it was lost by Mr. I-CLICK-ONLY-AGAINST-PART-TIME-BOWLERS (aka Rahul Dravid).

and remind me what ganguly did in that series?