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  • Laker by a lot

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  • Laker by a little

    4 17.39%
  • pretty much even

    5 21.74%
  • Murali by a little

    5 21.74%
  • Murali by a lot

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Thread: Whos the better off spinner, Muralitharan or Laker?

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    Whos the better off spinner, Muralitharan or Laker?

    was having a bit of an argument as to an all time XI on another forum, and the debate is who the better spinner is - Murali or Laker.

    For mine it is Laker, this is the extract of my post with my reasonings for this decision.

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    In terms of off spinners, Laker is clearly the best IMO.

    Just went on to CricInfo to have a look at Murali v Laker (Laker also didn't have a great, although not a bad reord, against South Africa).

    (Take out my bias againt Murali cause i believe he throws, Laker still beats him).

    - Murali just wins on strike rates (58 to 62)
    - Laker just wins on average (21.24 to 22.86)
    - I always reckon wickets per test i believe is pretty irrelevant. Murali has no competition for wickets, and each team basically takes 20 wickets a test. Someone has to take those wickets. When his only competition for wickets is a reasonable test quickie in Vaas, of course Murali is gonna take 6 wickets a test, because he basically comes on after about 6 overs from the other opener, and bowls practically non stop to the end of an innings.
    - take out 16 tests with 110 wickets at about 14 against Zim and Bangladesh, then suddenly they're practically even on strike rates, and Laker pretty much dominates him on average. Murali now has 425 wickets (5.66 wickets per test) at 24.68 with a strike rate of 60.85.
    - Murali has also struggled against the best in the world Australia, and hasn't performed well at all in either Australia or New Zealand.
    - Laker has only ever had two calendar years where has averaged over 30 (and another where he took 1 wicket @ 86 in 1 test).
    - Murali really struggled in his first 4 to 6 years, before he really his strides.

    Basically, i would just take Laker over Murali.



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    And just for the record, this was my all time team 1) Herb Sutcliife 2) Jack Hobbs 3) Don Bradman 4) Graeme Pollock 5) Gary Sobers 6) Adam Gilchrist 7) Keith Miller 8) Malcolm Marshall 9) Joel Garner 10) Bill O'Reilly 11) Jim Laker

    But Could basically pick any two of Sutcliffe, Hobbs or Hutton to open.

    Could pick any one of the about 12 or 15 players for the number 4 batting spot.

    Could also easily replace Imran Khan or Richard Hadlee with Keither Miller.

    Could also pick any one of the about 12 or 15 players for the number 9 spot and second opening bowling position.

    I think Marshall is the best bowler of all time and has a right to be included straight into that time, but that is just my opinion, and others may differ.

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    Lker bowled on crummier pitches though, quite a few stickies back then, made it easier for hi,. S oI'll go with Murali by a little...

    And wheres Warney in that team? not that i like him, but i think he deserves a place ahead of O'Riely.
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    Whos the better off spinner, Muralitharan or Laker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyD
    Lker bowled on crummier pitches though, quite a few stickies back then, made it easier for hi,. S oI'll go with Murali by a little...

    And wheres Warney in that team? not that i like him, but i think he deserves a place ahead of O'Riely.
    always liked O'Reilly.

    Warne, O'Reilly and Grimmett (who knows what this guy could've done if he was given the approriate opportunities) pretty much all have their own things that they bring to a team. I just reckon O'Reilly has conquered on all pitches, whereas Warne hasn't quite done it in India, and to a lesser extent Pakistan (i think - don't know hes exact record there off my head, but can't remember him dominating in Pakistan ebfore).

    A good point you do make about Laker though and being able to bowl on sticky and crumby wickets.

    I reckon Murali getting 14 tests and countless wickets against two teams that aren't even FC standard, and the fact he gets Sri Lankan wickets basically tailored to his bowling (mainly because he is all they have got) basically evens out the advantages Laker had.....


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    Once you get to the kind of level that these players were (are) at at their respective peaks, it becomes pedantry to argue over who's the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
    Once you get to the kind of level that these players were (are) at at their respective peaks, it becomes pedantry to argue over who's the better.
    yeah not much difference, but it's still good fun to have some topical debate and see some opinions out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyD
    Lker bowled on crummier pitches though, quite a few stickies back then, made it easier for hi,. S oI'll go with Murali by a little...

    And wheres Warney in that team? not that i like him, but i think he deserves a place ahead of O'Riely.
    And ofcourse Murali gets no help from his pitches.
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    Laker at his best was pretty much the best bowler ever, but he only managed to sustain a regular Test spot for around 5 years. Admittedly England were spoilt for riches in the bowling department during the 1950s, in complete contrast to Sri Lanka. This explains Laker's lower average and Murali's higher wickets per match. Murali clearly has more types of delivery, but that does not necessarily make him better (Adam Holliake has as many variations as anyone, yet he was never any good); accuracy wise and in terms of flight and amount of spin they are pretty much even.

    I say Murali but that is just down to personal preferance, I have no objection to people selecting the Englishman. Anyone who votes 'Murali by a lot' or 'Laker by a lot' is simply wrong, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Whos the better off spinner, Muralitharan or Laker?

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    I disagree, it's surely Balaji?
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    Laker.

    Who's better Langer or Hayden? Langer

    Who's better? Donald or Marshall? Donald

    Who's better? Waugh or Bradman? Waugh(Steve)

    Spot the link :P
    Or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamee999
    Laker.

    Who's better Langer or Hayden? Langer

    Who's better? Donald or Marshall? Donald

    Who's better? Waugh or Bradman? Waugh(Steve)

    Spot the link :P
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    Would that be Basin " We're in the Super 6's and the Sharjah Stinking Sharks aren't" Reserve Bears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamee999
    Would that be Basin " We're in the Super 6's and the Sharjah Stinking Sharks aren't" Reserve Bears?
    Would that be the Basin "we can't win Tests to save our lives" Reserve Bears?

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