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    warne by a country mile....kumble is a very, very good spinner but warne is one of the greatest of all time...the only reason for him not being called the greatest spinner is his lack of positive results against indian batsmen....he could very well rectify that in this series....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil
    warne by a country mile....the only reason for him not being called the greatest spinner is his lack of positive results against indian batsmen
    Thats not the only reason...

    Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

    O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

    Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Thats not the only reason...

    Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

    O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

    Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.
    ok good points...anyway, the fact remains that he is way better than kumble and is an all-time great....
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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Thats not the only reason...

    Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

    O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

    Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.
    ok...good points


    anyway....fact remains that he is way better than kumble and is an all-time great...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil
    ok good points...anyway, the fact remains that he is way better than kumble and is an all-time great....
    For sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Thats not the only reason...

    Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

    O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

    Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.
    and considering Richard once said that Robert Croft is a better spinner than Laker, then ny that reasoning Croft is better than Warne...and so if most people think the gap between Warne and Murali is not even worth talking about..then that means Croft is probably the best spinner to play the game for at least the last 30 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swervy
    and considering Richard once said that Robert Croft is a better spinner than Laker, then ny that reasoning Croft is better than Warne...and so if most people think the gap between Warne and Murali is not even worth talking about..then that means Croft is probably the best spinner to play the game for at least the last 30 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Thats not the only reason...

    Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century.
    Murali's home Test conditions are far more favourable than the corresponding conditions for Warne. Having comparitively no support can work for or against bowlers, it has certainly helped Murali as far as his career wicket total. Someone like Warne would get less opportunity to bowl at the tailenders in my opinion than Murali would (Aus would sometimes bowl Gillespie/McGrath/Lee to clean the tail up - SL would very likely persist with Murali). Anyway Warne is definitely better than Kumble, and as a player I'd pick Warne ahead of Murali because of the extra fielding and batting - the bowling I'd say there's very little in it and they're different bowlers anyway and will sit on the fence.

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    Hopefully this doesn't turn into a Murali/Warne debate

    Anyway, I'm just glad we've had 3 great spinners in our time. almost 1500 wickets between all three, just amazing.
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    Both are Quality spinners, and will entice youngsters to bowl the spin. I think Warne uses his experience to good use to outpsych the batsman whereas Kumble is more attacking and thoughtful in his approach.

    IMO I like Warne compared to Kumble, but that does not mean that I am unhappy when he gets heaps of wickets for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    Thats not the only reason...

    Murali has a better average, strike rate and economy rate despite having comparitively no support and the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team. Murali been more successful against every team except Pakistan, who fielded teenagers during one of Australia's tours. Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as good as Murali has been this century. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

    O'Reilly never had a bad series and was far more consistent. Bradman was one of the few people to have seen both and said O'Reilly was superior.

    Laker at his best kicks Warne's ass at his best.
    How does murali do away from home though? Im not sure but i know that everytime hes toured australia ive barely noticed him..

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    I think he's played two tests in Australia and only has 3wkts, for a total of 348, made a total of 14 runs in four innings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    Murali's home Test conditions are far more favourable than the corresponding conditions for Warne.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    Having comparitively no support can work for or against bowlers, it has certainly helped Murali as far as his career wicket total.
    Warne is part of a stronger bowling attack. If the two bowlers were of equal ability Warne would take less wickets per match than Murali (because there are four good bowlers competing for wickets), but would have a lower average and strike rate (because greater pressure is put on the batsman by bowlers at the other end). Murali takes more wickets per match and has a lower average and strike rate.

    For another example of this take two great fast bowlers, Marshall and Hadlee - Marshall having a better average because the high class West Indian bowlers put greater pressure on the batsmen, but Hadlee took more wickets per match because there was less competition for them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    Someone like Warne would get less opportunity to bowl at the tailenders in my opinion than Murali would (Aus would sometimes bowl Gillespie/McGrath/Lee to clean the tail up - SL would very likely persist with Murali).
    Infact Warne has dismissed more tailend batsmen than Murali.

    Batting positions of batsmen dismissed (when they were both on 527 wickets)

    ...................... position 8 9 10 11
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    Muralitharan ............... 41 50 45 26
    Warne ....................... 57 48 56 29
    ================================================== ==============

    You could argue that Warne often comes on when the pacemen have got rid of the oppositions top order so all he has to do is mop up the tail. Far more often Murali has to also get the high class top order batsmen out aswell, so this should be detrimental to his average and strike rate, which is still better than Warne's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow
    How does murali do away from home though?
    Warne

    home 52 2439.4 6165 235 26.23 8/71 2.52 62.2 12 4
    away 58 2772.4 7206 272 26.50 7/165 2.59 61.1 13 3
    neutral 3 124 342 27 12.66 7/94 2.75 27.5 2 1

    Murali

    home 53 3150 7051 342 20.61 9/51 2.21 55.2 30 10
    away 38 2037.2 5114 190 26.91 9/65 2.51 64.3 14 3

    Murali much better at home and only slightly worse away despite having comparitively no support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow
    Im not sure but i know that everytime hes toured australia ive barely noticed him..
    He has only toured once and struggled but it was right at the beginning of his career when he was nothing like the bowler of the last few years. I seem to remember Warne being hammered far more so in his first few Tests.

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    Lets get back and talk about Kumble vs Warne.

    I would pick Kumble in India, Warne everywhere else.

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