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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Parthiv as is Ajay Ratra of Delhi.
    But Ratra is really terrible with the bat in hand while Dhoni and Karthik aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V Reddy
    But Ratra is really terrible with the bat in hand while Dhoni and Karthik aren't.
    Really?
    And what is your basis for saying that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by V Reddy
    But Ratra is really terrible with the bat in hand while Dhoni and Karthik aren't.
    Do you know who was the last Indian wicket keeper to score a test hundred ?

    In May 2002, against the Windies at Antigua, batting at number 8 he joined Laxman and put on 217 runs for the seveth wicket and stayed till the end to score 115 not out. His name was Ajay Ratra.

    He couldnt be really terrible with the bat in hand now , could he ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Do you know who was the last Indian wicket keeper to score a test hundred ?

    In May 2002, against the Windies at Antigua, batting at number 8 he joined Laxman and put on 217 runs for the seveth wicket and stayed till the end to score 115 not out. His name was Ajay Ratra.

    He couldnt be really terrible with the bat in hand now , could he ??
    of recent ratra hasnt been the best with the bat (even if he may have been good in the past)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nnanden
    of recent ratra hasnt been the best with the bat (even if he may have been good in the past)
    I can argue about that too but its irrelevant. The point is he is not a bunny with the bat and a very competent wicket keeper which is the main requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Do you know who was the last Indian wicket keeper to score a test hundred ?

    In May 2002, against the Windies at Antigua, batting at number 8 he joined Laxman and put on 217 runs for the seveth wicket and stayed till the end to score 115 not out. His name was Ajay Ratra.

    He couldnt be really terrible with the bat in hand now , could he ??

    Maybe really terrible is an exaggeration but remove that hundred and look at the avg of the remaining innings , i doubt it would cross 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by V Reddy
    Maybe really terrible is an exaggeration but remove that hundred and look at the avg of the remaining innings , i doubt it would cross 10
    Possible but you cant be a mug with the bat and get a hundred much less stay on in a 2oo plus run partnership.

    Here are the first class averages of the keepers in India (the ones talked about or considered for India) over the last two years. The figures in brackets are the number victims (catches and stumpings) per match.

    Murali Karthik : 41.1 (2.9)

    MS Dhoni : 34.0 (3.7)

    Ajay Ratra : 24.6 (3.1)

    Parthiv Patel : 21.0 (2.5)

    Deep Dasgupta : 16.7 (2.2)

    Take the figures with as much salt as you want

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    As far as I'm concerned, they need to have a guy behind the stumps who can keep. I couldn't care less if the keeper batted at #11 and scored 0 each time, as long as he gets the likes of Ponting, Gilchrist & Hayden out at the first chance he gets. Wickets taken are always more valuable than runs scored.

    As of right now, Patel isn't doing that. I don't know if Karthik is the man but this Gilchrist-obsession has to stop. If a second Gilchrist exists anywhere in India, he won't need any help rising to the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Murali Karthik : 41.1 (2.9)
    Boy if Murali Karthik could do that I would drop Sachin Tendulkar for him

    Maybe you're talking about Dinesh Karthik?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TendulkarFan
    Boy if Murali Karthik could do that I would drop Sachin Tendulkar for him

    Maybe you're talking about Dinesh Karthik?


    By the way, there is a young (21 yr old) keeper who plays for MP. Averages 49.6 in first class matches in 2003-04.

    Then there is Pankaj Dharmani of Punjab. He has the best batting credentials of all. Averaged 51.0 in FC games in 2002-3 and went one better in 2003-4 averaging 62.2 with a top score of 230 not out.

    In all first class matches so far this 30 year old has scored over 6300 runs with 18 centuries, 18 fifties , a career average of 51.7 and a top score of 305 not out !!!

    Take your pick of a full harvest of Indian keepers or stick to the few you get to hear of

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS

    Then there is Pankaj Dharmani of Punjab. He has the best batting credentials of all. Averaged 51.0 in FC games in 2002-3 and went one better in 2003-4 averaging 62.2 with a top score of 230 not out.

    In all first class matches so far this 30 year old has scored over 6300 runs with 18 centuries, 18 fifties , a career average of 51.7 and a top score of 305 not out !!!

    I've never really watched Dharmani play but have definitely seen his performances at Ranji level in ICC 2002 Certainly looks like a keeper.

    I do believe though that the reason that no other wicket keeper got a chance in 90's was because Mongia was just so strong at keeping and not too shabby a batsman too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS


    By the way, there is a young (21 yr old) keeper who plays for MP. Averages 49.6 in first class matches in 2003-04.

    Then there is Pankaj Dharmani of Punjab. He has the best batting credentials of all. Averaged 51.0 in FC games in 2002-3 and went one better in 2003-4 averaging 62.2 with a top score of 230 not out.

    In all first class matches so far this 30 year old has scored over 6300 runs with 18 centuries, 18 fifties , a career average of 51.7 and a top score of 305 not out !!!

    Take your pick of a full harvest of Indian keepers or stick to the few you get to hear of
    Nice work dude

    I am really surprised at Dasgupta's batting stats . He was a clone of Chopra but unlike him was capable of getting past 50 which he showed in intl cricket. Yeah the case of Dharmani is a sad one. He only got to play in one match in the Titan Cup then he was selected for the SAF tour and got 2 50's in the 2 1st class games he played but never got a look in.

    I expected to see Ratra's avg in the 20's but i thought Dhoni avged much more than that as he is said to have scored a lot this season. I also saw that Century against Pak A which was shown on Ten Sports, he was unorthodox but looked a good batsman and is a good keeper too.

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    If I remember rightly, that is Ratra's only noteworthy contribution in his Test career, and his average excluding that effort is in the region of ten.

    That Antigua pitch was also resembled the M25, and by the end of day five it had got to the point where every single Indian, including Ratra, was bowling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Murali Karthik IS a better keeper than Parthiv as is Ajay Ratra of Delhi.
    Murali Karthik IS NOT a better keeper than Parthiv.
    Dinesh Karthik might be
    and Murali Karthik definitely a better left arm spinner than Parthiv
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Murali Karthik IS a better keeper than Parthiv

    Well, I guess he's not going to make the team with the ball!
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