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    Neutral Umps In ODI's

    In test matches all 4 umpires must be neutral. This is to avoid any cheating ahem...Shakoor Rana......ahem in the game. My question is this if they don't want cheating in ODI's either why don't they employ both neutrals for them too? Also I feel it quite pointless having more than 2 pitch umpires per series, surely they will not tire, so why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armadillo
    In test matches all 4 umpires must be neutral. This is to avoid any cheating ahem...Shakoor Rana......ahem in the game. My question is this if they don't want cheating in ODI's either why don't they employ both neutrals for them too? Also I feel it quite pointless having more than 2 pitch umpires per series, surely they will not tire, so why?
    I think for the major tournaments (WC and Champions Throphy) the rules for ODIs is 2 neutral umpires, but considering there is so much insignificant and meaningless ODI cricket played nowadays its probably considered not a big deal if there isa bit bias in some meaningless round robin match for a meaningless triangular series.

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    Surely the ICC can not use that as an excuse for the simple fact that they have to give the impression that they treat every match seriously.

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    Definition of neutral umpires :
    The umpire should not be from the batting side,
    the umpire should not be from the fielding side
    and the umpire's name should not be Steve Bucknor
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    The one home umpire in ODIs ought to remain IMO, as it gives younger less established umpires the chance to perform on the world scene, and doesn't create a closed shop.
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    I don't care where the umpire is from as long as the best possible umpire is there for the match. They should be professional enough to be unbiased.

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    And the fact is they are.

    Some people just can only see decisions that go against their team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    And the fact is they are.

    Some people just can only see decisions that go against their team.
    Yes. you are right but sometimes it happens so often in the same game it really stands out.

    Yet again today. Gillespie was out caught at short leg, Bucknor turned down the appeal but Gillespie walked. Now as India started, Sehwag a big inside edge (the ball moved about five inches inwards from bat edge before hitting the pads and Billy gave him out. It was a shockingly poor decision.

    Yes its no one's case that Bowden is biased but it really rankles when it is so bad a decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
    The one home umpire in ODIs ought to remain IMO, as it gives younger less established umpires the chance to perform on the world scene, and doesn't create a closed shop.
    But surely this is not the only way that umpires can come through on to the scene. Even so you can not send out an inexperienced perhaps slightly immature umpire to an international match, perhaps a domestic match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    And the fact is they are.

    Some people just can only see decisions that go against their team.
    Is that comment directed at me? I find it highly insulting if it is. Maybe I am a bit more disappointed because many decisions have gone against India, however, I'm certainly no one-eyed nationalistic supporter who is convinced the umpires have a hidden agenda against India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasa
    Is that comment directed at me? I find it highly insulting if it is. Maybe I am a bit more disappointed because many decisions have gone against India, however, I'm certainly no one-eyed nationalistic supporter who is convinced the umpires have a hidden agenda against India.
    I'm fairly certain it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armadillo
    But surely this is not the only way that umpires can come through on to the scene. Even so you can not send out an inexperienced perhaps slightly immature umpire to an international match, perhaps a domestic match.
    You want umpires to make their International debuts on the other side of the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasa
    I don't care where the umpire is from as long as the best possible umpire is there for the match. They should be professional enough to be unbiased.
    Agree.
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    The thing that ****es me of is that some batsman walk when they've hit it and not been given out but on another occasion they may be blatantly not out (like Lara against England or Sehwag today) and be given out yet they can do nothing about it.

    From general observation, the home umpires for ODI's seem to do a decent job but i agree it would make sense to have the same rule as in tests

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