Leg spin pace HELP HELP

Peteryc · 05-05-2008, 03:00 AM

Does anyone know how quick a 13 year old should bowl leg spin? He has huge turn and variations but has been told to pick up the pace, at the moment he does not lob the ball, has some drift and drop and all that but needs to pick up the pace according to his coaches. So if there are any experienced coaches out there can you please tell me approximately at what speed KPH or MPH he should be bowling at?????

Son Of Coco · 05-05-2008, 03:02 AM

About 125kph.

Neil Pickup · 05-05-2008, 12:32 PM

Bowl it at the pace it turns the most, simple as.

bond21 · 06-05-2008, 01:24 AM

i duno most spinners bowl it too fast, thus negating maximum spin.

Unless hes bowling pies i would encourage him to give it some flight because that is harder to play than fast leg spin which doesnt turn as much.

vic_orthdox · 07-05-2008, 05:42 AM

It's very tough at 13. You still find some kids bowling big donkey drops and getting out poor batsmen, but then find themselves against good batsmen and getting smashed everywhere.

I think that at such a young age, if the kid has talent, he'll find his natural pace. As long as he's getting a lot out of his action is the major point; if it's slow but it's getting enough dip and drift to concern the batsman, then that's OK.

Peteryc · 07-05-2008, 06:39 AM

Thanks for the feedback, he does not bowl donkey drops, and yes he gets dip and drift along with the turn but for some reason his coaches seem to want more pace. His club figures were 50 overs 18 wickets for 159, this was for the U14 grade and his district was 37 overs 9 for 123 so he does not get tonked around. He gets frustrated at being told to pick up the pace all the time surely this will come with age, when he gets bigger and stronger.... Apreciate your reply Thanks.

Goughy · 07-05-2008, 07:08 AM

Its too slow if a batsman can go back and watch it off the pitch.

Ive coached a lot of U13s and the biggest problem is what gets wickets at that level (slow with big turn and almost tennis ball bounce) leads to bad habits and gets destroyed by any good player.

A quick tip. Take him to a decent astro net. If he struggles to be able to hit the stumps when bowling a good full length (boucing over the top) then its too slow. That slow bounce kills bad batting but is fodder when moving up levels.

If the coaches say he needs to pick up the pace then he probably does. Its not easy though.

vic_orthdox · 07-05-2008, 07:26 AM

If you make sure that he's making full use of his action, i.e.

His front arm extends and pulls the body through as much as possible
The back leg comes around after delivery strongly, to the point where his chest is facing cover after follow through

then the natural pace will come. If he's not all that strong at hte moment, it's OK. It might be hard for a season, at most. Because he'll learn from that, and work on how to bowl at the right pace. As long as he still concentrates on spinning the ball.

Peteryc · 07-05-2008, 07:44 AM

Great, Thanks guys some useful tips and positive feedback...... much appreciated.

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Peteryc Cricket Spectator Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 3	Leg spin pace HELP HELP Does anyone know how quick a 13 year old should bowl leg spin? He has huge turn and variations but has been told to pick up the pace, at the moment he does not lob the ball, has some drift and drop and all that but needs to pick up the pace according to his coaches. So if there are any experienced coaches out there can you please tell me approximately at what speed KPH or MPH he should be bowling at?????

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Goughy International Coach Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: All Over Posts: 14,638	Its too slow if a batsman can go back and watch it off the pitch. Ive coached a lot of U13s and the biggest problem is what gets wickets at that level (slow with big turn and almost tennis ball bounce) leads to bad habits and gets destroyed by any good player. A quick tip. Take him to a decent astro net. If he struggles to be able to hit the stumps when bowling a good full length (boucing over the top) then its too slow. That slow bounce kills bad batting but is fodder when moving up levels. If the coaches say he needs to pick up the pace then he probably does. Its not easy though. __________________ If I only just posted the above post, please wait 5 mins before replying as there is bound to be edits West Robham Rabid Wolves Caedere lemma quod eat lemma Happy Birthday! (easier than using Birthday threads) Email and MSN- Goughy at cricketmail dot net

07-05-2008, 07:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,366	If you make sure that he's making full use of his action, i.e. His front arm extends and pulls the body through as much as possible The back leg comes around after delivery strongly, to the point where his chest is facing cover after follow through then the natural pace will come. If he's not all that strong at hte moment, it's OK. It might be hard for a season, at most. Because he'll learn from that, and work on how to bowl at the right pace. As long as he still concentrates on spinning the ball.

06-05-2008, 01:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
bond21 Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York, New York Posts: 953	i duno most spinners bowl it too fast, thus negating maximum spin. Unless hes bowling pies i would encourage him to give it some flight because that is harder to play than fast leg spin which doesnt turn as much.

07-05-2008, 05:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,366	It's very tough at 13. You still find some kids bowling big donkey drops and getting out poor batsmen, but then find themselves against good batsmen and getting smashed everywhere. I think that at such a young age, if the kid has talent, he'll find his natural pace. As long as he's getting a lot out of his action is the major point; if it's slow but it's getting enough dip and drift to concern the batsman, then that's OK.

07-05-2008, 06:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
Peteryc Cricket Spectator Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 3	Thanks for the feedback, he does not bowl donkey drops, and yes he gets dip and drift along with the turn but for some reason his coaches seem to want more pace. His club figures were 50 overs 18 wickets for 159, this was for the U14 grade and his district was 37 overs 9 for 123 so he does not get tonked around. He gets frustrated at being told to pick up the pace all the time surely this will come with age, when he gets bigger and stronger.... Apreciate your reply Thanks.

07-05-2008, 07:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Peteryc Cricket Spectator Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 3	Great, Thanks guys some useful tips and positive feedback...... much appreciated.

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