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    One side chased at almost 6 an over. Eng suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    It wasn't bad in terms of timing - he wasn't allowed to have a crack any earlier because of the game situation. He just couldn't pull off the heroics once he did start trying to line them up in the last six or so overs.
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    My earlier post was obviously tongue in cheek. I think the reason is that he is not used to the start slow and then go big rhythm as a batsman. He is used to playing the big shot any ****ing time he wanted to while batting and when that option was taken away from him, he just lost all his batting rhythm.
    Agreed. People who are making the pitch argument haven't watched the game and are judging from the final scorecard. England were cruising at the start. Junaid went for 23 off his first 3 overs, Bairstow and Root were going at almost run a ball.
    Then Hassan got Bairstow out.

    Root and Morgan were kind of restricted by Imad, Hafeez but not the usual chokehold that Pakistan wish for, and Root was dropped off Shadab, and he was scoring off Shadab.

    Then Shadab got Root out.

    Morgan was joined by Stokes but then Hassan got Morgan out

    In walks Buttler, who is the single most devastating player in the death overs, SR 200 from 40-50th over, but here was in early, much earlier than he is used to, and Junaid got Buttler out.

    England's lower order is probably the strongest among all teams, but then Moeen Ali gets caught at the boundary - an excellent catch by Fakhar.

    Stokes was just unsure what to do. The opposition kept taking wickets and placed him in a situation he is not used to, bogged him down and finally dismissed him.

    But we're not going to give credit where it's due, but instead blame the pitch and the conditions and the lack of home advantage because if a small team beats a big team, there has to be something else wrong.
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    TBF, BW, its only a few here who have been saying that. Majority of the posters have given credit to Pak for the way they played and also for the way they did not allow England to play.
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    Yeah true. But the overall coverage of 'used pitch' and 'lack of home advantage' kinda dominated the narrative.

    http://www.cricket.com.au/news/engla...hts/2017-06-15
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    Nah... captains can be bitter at the presser right after a demoralizing loss when they would have expected to win. They are human too, right? And English media will forever go for the narrative from their PoV than from the opposition's. Same as any other media really but in a little bit more obvious way.

    Think at least within CW, the consensus has been that Pakistan beat England by playing better cricket. So there is really no point in us going on about what 1 or 2 posters have had to say, esp. when more than enough rightful replies have been given, by fans of England themselves apart from other posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post

    But we're not going to give credit where it's due, but instead blame the pitch and the conditions and the lack of home advantage because if a small team beats a big team, there has to be something else wrong.
    You and Scaley should open a chip shop.......absolutely dire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    TBF, BW, its only a few here who have been saying that. Majority of the posters have given credit to Pak for the way they played and also for the way they did not allow England to play.
    The only poster I've seen blaming the pitch is Scaley.........if he is representative of English fans views fmd I'll jump ship right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Why?

    Just because England couldn't adjust to it doesn't mean it wasn't a good odi wicket. Heck Pakistan were cruising on it, that says something. Pak batting isn't all that flash, in case you didn't notice
    Because it wasn"t a true fast flat pitch which is what is a good odI pitch and what England is used to.

    The total was low so no real pressure for Pakistan and England's bowling isn''t the best part of their batting.

    Pakistan did very well but this was not the pitch Morgan would have picked to face them on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan9 View Post
    Because it wasn"t a true fast flat pitch which is what is a good odI pitch and what England is used to.

    The total was low so no real pressure for Pakistan and England's bowling isn''t the best part of their batting.

    Pakistan did very well but this was not the pitch Morgan would have picked to face them on...
    lol What? Best pitch is not defined by "the pitch Morgan would have picked to face them on".

    It was a great pitch and as the Root - Bairstow partnership and Pakistani batting showed it was a perfectly good wicket for a 280 score.

    Face it, Pakistan outplayed England in every facet of the game on that day and were the deserving winners, not every pitch needs to be a 340 par score ground. Also it's an ICC tournament, not a test series, there is no reason for any home advantage to exist here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    You and Scaley should open a chip shop.......absolutely dire.
    Hey mate, the South Africa-England thread is on Cricket Chat if you can't handle credit for the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    Hey mate, the South Africa-England thread is on Cricket Chat if you can't handle credit for the opposition.
    Lol what?????

    Seriously what do you actually read when you browse these threads?
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    Pakistani bowlers actually made good use of the pitch. They completely restricted them from scoring runs. Eoin Morgan`s complain about the pitch being used before was invalid as they were not hand tied while bowling or batting, Pakistan batted and bowled superbly on that same pitch.

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    Scaly's spot on regarding the pitch ftr, Cardiff has been a **** tip for years. I don't think I've ever watched a game there and thought 'what a cracker that pitch was.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shri View Post
    One side chased at almost 6 an over. Eng suck.
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