Are England really favourites for CT17?

[91Jmay]

Hmmm, so why not just say "I think England will win"?

They won't, not with that joke of a bowling line up but you never know.......

 

[Scaly piscine]

Hmmmmm, so if this was being held in Sri Lanka they would be favourites? I don't think so

These conditions are no different to the conditions you'll find in Australia or New Zealand, South Africa won't be too fussed by them either. The only advantage England will have over those three teams is the home crowd, which is pretty minimal in cricket. All four of those teams plus India have the ability to score 300 plus, so it'll come down to bowling on these pitches and England probably have the worst of that lot.

England have always had a decent ODI record in English conditions, even when they were ****. As for Sri Lanka? No, because they're **** and their conditions wouldn't really give them much of an advantage against India, who play there every five minutes and are a much better team. England however are up there in the top tier of ODI teams, along with Australia, India, SA (waning a little bit) and NZ (waning a bit more) - so home advantage is enough to propel them to favourites.

 

[vcs]

Outstanding batting lineup. Will put up 300+ batting first or second 8/10 times. You aren't going to lose too many games with that kind of firepower at your disposal.

Also bowled really well today, had NZ under control all the way through.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Hmmmmm, so if this was being held in Sri Lanka they would be favourites? I don't think so

These conditions are no different to the conditions you'll find in Australia or New Zealand, South Africa won't be too fussed by them either. The only advantage England will have over those three teams is the home crowd, which is pretty minimal in cricket. All four of those teams plus India have the ability to score 300 plus, so it'll come down to bowling on these pitches and England probably have the worst of that lot.

Taste those sweet tears.

 

[Howsie]

Outstanding batting lineup. Will put up 300+ batting first or second 8/10 times. You aren't going to lose too many games with that kind of firepower at your disposal.

Also bowled really well today, had NZ under control all the way through.

Nah, New Zealand were favourites when Williamson and Taylor were batting together. England weren't the first team that NZ have capitulated against once one of those two go over the past 12-18 months.

 

[vcs]

Nah, New Zealand were favourites when Williamson and Taylor were batting together. England weren't the first team that NZ have capitulated against once one of those two go over the past 12-18 months.

Those two didn't manage to bat at the required RR either, over the course of their innings.

 

[Howe_zat]

Those two didn't manage to bat at the required RR either, over the course of their innings.

You don't need to, obviously time gets made up at the end.

From overs 22-28 they scored 50 runs without losing a wicket and got past half the total. That is matchwinning top four batting. Before Williamson got out they were winning, if briefly.

 

[vcs]

TBF, I wasn't watching the match, and just by following the scorecard alone, it seemed like NZ were always playing catch up after England's economical opening burst.

 

[91Jmay]

You don't need to, obviously time gets made up at the end.

From overs 22-28 they scored 50 runs without losing a wicket and got past half the total. That is matchwinning top four batting. Before Williamson got out they were winning, if briefly.

That lacks so much context though. England were always one wicket away from bossing the game. You can't just pretend we don't know who is coming in to bat next when talking about the state of play

 

[Furball]

You don't need to, obviously time gets made up at the end.

From overs 22-28 they scored 50 runs without losing a wicket and got past half the total. That is matchwinning top four batting. Before Williamson got out they were winning, if briefly.

I think people still underestimate how difficult chasing 300+ is.

Williamson and Taylor had gotten New Zealand into a position where they could think about winning. But there were still 20 overs to go in the innings and New Zealand needed 154 runs when Williamson got out. That is a lot of cricket to play and a lot of runs to get. As soon as 1 person goes, the equation looks a lot different particularly when your lower order is populated with spuds like Broom and Anderson.

That's the beauty of England's lineup, it's hardhitting and it's ****ing relentless. You have to get England 8 down before you stop bringing out batsmen who can very quickly inflict major damage on you.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Guess we are then.

 

[ImpatientLime]

moonsorrow in absolute floods of tears right now.

thrashing away on the keyboard like he's trying to kill an army of invading ants. typing up several paragraphs about how buttler is an overrated hack and if the tournament hadn't been held in such an undeserving country with bad weather that he'd have thrown his wicket away and the mighty australia would have marched to an inevitable victory.

 

[Howe_zat]

The betting sites are making harakiri. South Africa is clear favorite. I'd keep England at no. 4 or 5 - definitely after Australia, India and maybe even NZ too. England's pace attack is one-dimensional. In the modern ODI game you need yorkers, slower balls, bouncers, cutters, knuckle balls. Their spinners are nothing special. Batting is the only special thing they have - perhaps 2nd best after South Africa.

Top 5 teams in CT

South Africa - great batting; great bowling (pace attack not as good as Aus and NZ, but pretty good and Tahir is the best spinner in the world)- struggle to win big ODI tournaments
Australia - great batting; great pace bowling (mediocre spinners) - excellent record in big ODI tournaments
India - great batting; adequate bowling - excellent record in big ODI tournaments
NZ - good batting; great bowling (probably the best balanced bowling attack in the tournament)- struggle to win big ODI tournaments
England - great batting; mediocre bowling - unknown in big ODI tournaments (young team)

3 of the 4 sides above England are going home early, strangely.

 

[Daemon]

I noticed a couple of sarcastic likes on my ranking of the teams. Would advise you to check for white text.

 

[Furball]

DBZ

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[mackembhoy]

What a bunch of know nowt gob****es this thread is.

Like watching the UK election.

Humble pie all round then lads at the minute?

 

[honestbharani]

oiii..I called them rightful favorites.

 

[91Jmay]

What a bunch of know nowt gob****es this thread is.

Like watching the UK election.

Humble pie all round then lads at the minute?

Did I miss us winning it already?

 

[Adders]

What a bunch of know nowt gob****es this thread is.

Like watching the UK election.

Humble pie all round then lads at the minute?

You know they haven't won anything yet right?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Whether England win it or not, they've shown they were rightful favourites.