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    AB is pretty much hell bent on winning some ODI silverware from what he's been saying recently. They've got a very balanced team as well. They are justified in being favorites imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burner View Post
    AB is pretty much hell bent on winning some ODI silverware from what he's been saying recently. They've got a very balanced team as well. They are justified in being favorites imo.
    AB has a World Cup win under his belt and is Australian.
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    And I fail to see how much Abdv "wants it" is really relevant to how the team should be rated prior to the tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burner View Post
    AB is pretty much hell bent on winning some ODI silverware from what he's been saying recently. They've got a very balanced team as well. They are justified in being favorites imo.
    He wanted it just as badly during the WC 2015. Didn't work.

    That being said, the South African ODI team based on recent form is a much stronger unit than they were during the previous World Cup.

    They beat England, then did badly in the Tri series with Australia and West Indies, and then beat Australia and New Zealand (albeit a weaker Australian side)

    They are strong based on recent record, but not sure if I would place them as favourites. The batting will be heavily reliant on De Kock and AB and the bowling on Tahir and Rabada.

    They should qualify for the Semis given their group, but if they are up against a full strength Australia in the semis, don't see them going past that.
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    I think Australia are the favorites followed closely by England and South Africa as #2s. India a distant #3 or #4, depending on how pedantic you want to be. But I think Sri Lanka might surprise people in this tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Are people doing that thing where they massively over-rate South Africa or have they got good in the last couple of years?
    People are overrating SA... our middle order batting is soft, and our allrounders are actually untested.
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    I'd almost have India or South Africa as favourites just because I think they are the most likely team to get out of their group.

    Now both won't make it through, but ah well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    I'd almost have India or South Africa as favourites just because I think they are the most likely team to get out of their group.

    Now both won't make it through, but ah well.
    I have Saffers fav's due to their group, the other one is very messy.

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    England had the trophy offered to them on a well decorated plate in the 2013 tourney. It was a monumental choke-job and if it was done by SA they'd have never heard the end of it. They needed 20 off 16 balls with 6 wickets in hand and they kept getting out to Ishant.

    They were not favourites back then though. They ARE this time. Curious to see how they'll go this time.
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    Some of these media types have practically awarded the trophy to England already. One or two of the players seem to have awarded the trophy to themselves also! The hype and English arrogance (cf. Billings's recent comments) is reaching levels of absurdity and could bite them in the bum if it goes **** up. Since England's 'post-World Cup 2015 turnaround', they have been beaten by Australia, South Africa and India in one-dayers, the former of those in England.
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    Mate, I'd really suggest you stop getting wound up by the English tabloids........have they ever been any different with any of our sporting teams? Build them up and then tear them down......it's what they do. Their headlines do not represent the views of English cricket fans.

    As for the players, can you link to some comments? I certainly haven't seen anything cocky from any of them. What did Billings say?

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    I think we will have a better idea of England's ODI team by the end of the Champions Trophy. The South Africa ODI series will be a tight one and England's group in CT is tough.. If they can overcome both, that will demonstrate the team's Post WC 2015 improvement in a stronger fashion.

    Looking a bit more long term, say next World Cup, England will need to beef up their bowling. At this point, it is considerably behind Australia, India and South Africa and in a long tournament like the World Cup, you cannot just rely on blowing everyone away with your power batting..because you won't be able to do that against every team.

    The difference in India's performances when they have their first choice bowling attack and when they field a crap bowling attack is a great example. India's batting wasn't at it's best during the last World Cup but they made it to the semis simply because of how well they bowled in that tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    People are overrating SA... our middle order batting is soft, and our allrounders are actually untested.
    Nah, they beat NZ at home, which no other side has done in donkey's years IIRC, and they have arguably 7-8 world class players in their XI. People need to stop making excuses for them in advance in my opinion, they have no excuse not to be up there with Australia based on talent.

    To answer the thread question, no England should not be favourites with their relatively ordinary bowling line-up imo. Australia should be, with SA a close 2nd.... then England and India.

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