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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    No you weren't.
    Yes I was. I've been adamant that England's one-day side were over hyped nonsense from the beginning. Pakistan win by 8 wickets says I was correct. Further, the ex-player tv fraternity had them with their hand on the trophy months before the competition had even started!! Even just yesterday, there were a series of Vaughan articles in one of the newspapers demonstrating how superior England are over Pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.Kennedy View Post
    Yes I was. I've been adamant that England's one-day side were over hyped nonsense from the beginning. Pakistan win by 8 wickets says I was correct. Further, the ex-player tv fraternity had them with their hand on the trophy months before the competition had even started!! Even just yesterday, there were a series of Vaughan articles in one of the newspapers demonstrating how superior England are over Pakistan.
    Which they are tbf
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Which they are tbf
    I rest my case (on English smugness).

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    This is a short tournament, where one bad day can lead to elimination.

    Any team can have a bad day and lose, so it doesn't all of a sudden mean that the losing team's no longer a good team.

    England still the best ODI team in most conditions!

    This was just ONE game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    This is a short tournament, where one bad day can lead to elimination.

    Any team can have a bad day and lose, so it doesn't all of a sudden mean that the losing team's no longer a good team.

    England still the best ODI team in most conditions!

    This was just ONE game.
    I agree with the general tenure of your argument but do not agree with your assessment of England I'm afraid.

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    England are possibly the best ODI team in their conditions, wouldn't say they're the best in any other conditions. Still very good though.
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    I don’t really get the ‘any team can have a bad day’ arguments. Knockout tournaments like this are about not having bad days or – when you’re not playing to our optimum level – finding a way to tough it out and win when it counts.

    A good example is Australia in the 2003 World Cup. In at least 3 of their early matches they were in big trouble yet players (often unexpected ones) lifted their games and pulled the side through.

    Really surprised that England weren’t capable of that. In fact, the longer the match went the worse they played. And judging by Morgan’s post-match comments, they seemed to get ahead of themselves as to how good they actually are.

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    Loving this meltdown the English fans are having.

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    I don't see any meltdown?

    I just see a couple of members being dickish to the English ones. Although TBF the behaviour is consistent with their general posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    Time for English fans to go back to 'Test cricket is the only cricket. ODIs don't matter.' mode. Thanks for playing.
    This is still premature. England's ODI team is definitely in the right direction. They have 1 gear in their batting and for most part it will work. The problem is, Pakistan is the least hyped, talked about and seen cricket team in recent times who play a very different and unusual brand of cricket. You cannot anticipate a team will still play like it's 94 and reach the finals and prepare for that.

    England's batting 1st scores in last 20 matches

    283
    355
    399
    318
    262
    236
    324
    444
    302
    309
    350
    321
    296
    328
    328
    339
    330
    153
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    211


    The 153 pitch had some early lateral movement, and the 211 pitch was just a tad slower, but no major swing or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howsie View Post
    Loving this meltdown the English fans are having.
    Can you show me 1 post that remotely constitutes a "meltdown"
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    Quote Originally Posted by quincywagstaff View Post
    I don’t really get the ‘any team can have a bad day’ arguments. Knockout tournaments like this are about not having bad days or – when you’re not playing to our optimum level – finding a way to tough it out and win when it counts.

    A good example is Australia in the 2003 World Cup. In at least 3 of their early matches they were in big trouble yet players (often unexpected ones) lifted their games and pulled the side through.

    Really surprised that England weren’t capable of that. In fact, the longer the match went the worse they played. And judging by Morgan’s post-match comments, they seemed to get ahead of themselves as to how good they actually are.
    really? It's not even really an argument. It's just common sense.

    Cricket is a game with so many variables, that the better team doesn't always win. Heck even the team that plays better on the day doesn't always win.

    Even Aus in 2003 could have easily lost a game or 2 if a few things went differently.

    You could be the best team in the world by some margin and you're still not going to win every single game. That's just the game of cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    England are possibly the best ODI team in their conditions, wouldn't say they're the best in any other conditions. Still very good though.
    Indeedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    This is a short tournament, where one bad day can lead to elimination.

    Any team can have a bad day and lose, so it doesn't all of a sudden mean that the losing team's no longer a good team.

    England still the best ODI team in most conditions!

    This was just ONE game.
    Agree in the main about one bad day etc, but disagree with the sentence in bold.

    Athers nailed in my quoted post above. England were the best side in their conditions, but not 'most conditions'.

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    Yeah id agree with that, had this comp been anywhere else the bookies would not have had England as favourites.........and they would be right, as they were right to have them as narrow favs for this one. (Not odds on as some muppet here said)

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