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    Dhawan is a legit gun in ODIs. Even when he is going through a tough time form-wise, he still picks it up in important games/ tourneys. There's no one in India that is better than him in the opening slot and most definitely not Rahane. It's amazing the amount of **** he gets thrown in his direction as though he's some chump averaging 30 at a SR of 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burner View Post
    Dhawan is a legit gun in ODIs. Even when he is going through a tough time form-wise, he still picks it up in important games/ tourneys. There's no one in India that is better than him in the opening slot and most definitely not Rahane. It's amazing the amount of **** he gets thrown in his direction as though he's some chump averaging 30 at a SR of 70.
    Rohit>>>>Dhawan atleast in the last few years, But I do agree he gets too much hate,
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    It's sad that Gambhir isn't given another shot, compared to Yuvraj especially. Won India the World Cup.
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    Yeah and Yuvraj didn't do anything in the WC...
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    Is Harsh being sarcastic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Yeah and Yuvraj didn't do anything in the WC...
    Yeah, but Gambhir's in good form. And Rohit isn't. At least should be ahead of Rahane, if nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Yeah, but Gambhir's in good form. And Rohit isn't. At least should be ahead of Rahane, if nothing else.
    Gambhir was given a chance in test matches recently - scored an array of 0s

    Dhawan is a way better option in ODIs now
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Team looks a little shaky atm. Kohli's been in piss poor form since the Australia series, Rohit's just coming back from injury, and you never know what you're going to get with Yuvraj and Dhoni. Don't mind the Dhawan inclusion much, if anything Rahane is luckier. Gotta be his last chance in ODIs now.
    Wouldn't read too much into that tbh. Different formats and all and he's not exactly a great player of spin given the conditions in that series.
    He has demonstrated in the past that when the format changes, he can turn into beast mode pretty fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    Wouldn't read too much into that tbh. Different formats and all and he's not exactly a great player of spin given the conditions in that series.
    He has demonstrated in the past that when the format changes, he can turn into beast mode pretty fast.
    I usually wouldn't but Kohli's the kind of player whose form has generally seemed to translate across formats. His slumps in ODI cricket usually come at the same time he's not doing well in tests either. Must be a confidence thing.

    Also he's coming back from injury which is tough no matter the format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    I usually wouldn't but Kohli's the kind of player whose form has generally seemed to translate across formats. His slumps in ODI cricket usually come at the same time he's not doing well in tests either. Must be a confidence thing.

    Also he's coming back from injury which is tough no matter the format.
    He also takes a lot of pride in performing in the IPL. He's been **** there also. This happened in 2014 as well, I thought he'd shrug off a poor IPL after his T20 WC heroics, but his form carried over to England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    He also takes a lot of pride in performing in the IPL. He's been **** there also. This happened in 2014 as well, I thought he'd shrug off a poor IPL after his T20 WC heroics, but his form carried over to England.
    And in the second half of 2015... was average in the second half of the WC and sucked in tests for the rest of the year. It doesn't work the other way around, but if he's not doing well in LoIs, it usually carries over into tests.

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    Ind and SA to qualify from this group. Having said that, Pak could pull off 2 upsets. They have beaten SA in the last ICC tourney and hold a 2-1 CT record over India but I just feel their team is too ageing and too inconsistent.

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    Pak ODI team is still 2-3 ODI guns short of being a solid side that can beat the top 3-4 ODI sides in the world '

    The loss of Sharjeel is huge as he was the only guy in the country who could score at a SR of 100 plus from the start.

    Azhar and Shehzad are slow starters, followed by Babar, another slow starter. You compare that with Top 3 of India or South Africa in their group or even Bangladesh.

    They barely make 70 in their first 15, and 100 by the 25th over. And then they lack the power hitters down the order to make up for the lack of runs in the beginning.

    So they're always playing catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    Pak ODI team is still 2-3 ODI guns short of being a solid side that can beat the top 3-4 ODI sides in the world '

    The loss of Sharjeel is huge as he was the only guy in the country who could score at a SR of 100 plus from the start.

    Azhar and Shehzad are slow starters, followed by Babar, another slow starter. You compare that with Top 3 of India or South Africa in their group or even Bangladesh.

    They barely make 70 in their first 15, and 100 by the 25th over. And then they lack the power hitters down the order to make up for the lack of runs in the beginning.

    So they're always playing catch up.
    I agree somewhat but we have to remember that a lot of the Indian batting order has yet to come into top form. I'm not sure how some of them are playing in the IPL but I've heard lots of good things about Gambhir and yet he is not in the squad. Somehow, MS and Yuvi have made it in. Also I remember a stat being run in the last Pak/WI ODI series and I don't remember India being all that high up in rr for ODI cricket. I think NZ, Aus and Eng topped out but I may be wrong.

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    India might be behind those teams in terms of RR but compare this top order with Pakistans'

    Rohit
    Dhawan
    Kohli


    Azhar
    Shehzad
    Babar

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