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    I'm shocked that anyone wouldn't want McClenaghan there if fit ... thought he was our best limited overs bowler the season before last, before his injury troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    To be honest, suspect England's batting more likely to go ballistic against NZ than Bangladesh.
    I think we're less likely to see the recent high scoring run fests that we have seen during India-England or Australia-South Africa or WC 2015 where 380 plays 350 given the timing of the tournament. The usual high scoring games where England blast their way usually takes place during England's regular ODI season in September. The June period might see some help for the bowlers.

    We'll still see high scores, but at a lower scale if the previous tournament around the same time is anything to go by, more like 280-330

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Warrior View Post
    I think we're less likely to see the recent high scoring run fests that we have seen during India-England or Australia-South Africa or WC 2015 where 380 plays 350 given the timing of the tournament. The usual high scoring games where England blast their way usually takes place during England's regular ODI season in September. The June period might see some help for the bowlers.

    We'll still see high scores, but at a lower scale if the previous tournament around the same time is anything to go by, more like 280-330

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    The series which started this England fast scoring took place at exactly the same time of the year as this tournament is going to so not sure your hypothesis is right...
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    Australia should top this group comfortably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    The series which started this England fast scoring took place at exactly the same time of the year as this tournament is going to so not sure your hypothesis is right...
    My hypothesis is based on the previous Champions Trophy but I take your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    See that makes no sense. My avvie is BD player. I supported BD over India in every match the two sides have faced in. Not once in my life have I rooted against BD. I was involved in the Nat setup for BD in Battrick, FTP and Stumped.

    Flip-flopping Indian fan? Sure. Newbie bandwagoner for Hong Kong? Fair enough. But I'm as committed a BD fan as you'll ever see.




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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Surely you must be due for some lifetime contribution award from Bangladesh Cricket Board by now.
    IKR. All this and I haven't even been to their country. I'm the best fan they've never had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hutt Rec View Post
    I'm shocked that anyone wouldn't want McClenaghan there if fit ... thought he was our best limited overs bowler the season before last, before his injury troubles.
    You reckon? The very definition of hit or miss imo. For starters I think we have 3 or 4 better new-ball ODI bowlers. I'll give him that he's a better death bowler than Henry and playing the IPL surely helps him improve from matchplay in those pressure situations. Probably slightly better than Southee at the death too, though it's not like he's great. So, I don't disagree with his selection over Henry, but it's not one I'm overly excited about either.

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    England's hysterical media and some of the fans are overrating England's chances for this competition like England football fans overrated their 1990s - 00 'urine generation' duds in successive FIFA World Cups. You do know that there are other teams competing and the thing has to be played out?

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    I do think that the England ODI team post WC 2015 is a tad overrated purely because of the way they play which is such a contrast to what people are used to expect from England ODI teams throughout history.

    Yes they are a vastly improved side than anything England have put forward this side of the 92 World Cup, but at best they are mid tier side based on results since WC 2015

    New Zealand: 3-2
    Australia: 2-3
    Pakistan: 3-1
    South Africa: 2-3
    Pakistan: 4-1
    Bangladesh: 2-1
    India: 1-2
    West Indies: 3-0

    The only impressive result from the above is the 3-2 against New Zealand. Otherwise, they have lost to every other top side and the ones they have beaten are the likes of Pakistan and West Indies, the two bottom ranked ODI sides in the world. Winning in Bangladesh was impressive too.

    So that's 2 wins and 3 losses against decent sides. Not a bad record by any means, but that's a mid tier team, not a top team.

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    Nah **** you both. England should win this comfortably.
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    England have only won one ICC competition ever and they're being hyped up as if they are some sort of one-day superpower. I mean even in their home one-day series victories they tend to leak the odd defeat. Isn't this a knock-out competition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.Kennedy View Post
    England have only won one ICC competition ever and they're being hyped up as if they are some sort of one-day superpower. I mean even in their home one-day series victories they tend to leak the odd defeat. Isn't this a knock-out competition?
    I see that you've not been sufficiently outraged by posts on the forum so have made something up to pop your monocle over.

    unless you say by who and when this is pointless gibberish
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    England performed well in the 2015 Champions Trophy with a less talented side.

    Knockout cricket is always unpredictable though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    I see that you've not been sufficiently outraged by posts on the forum so have made something up to pop your monocle over.

    unless you say by who and when this is pointless gibberish
    Huh?

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