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    Team India for #CT13 : MSD (Captain)/Dhawan/Virat/Raina/Dinesh Karthik/Vijay/Rohit/Jadeja/Ashwin/Irfan/Umesh/Bhuvi/Ishant/Amit Mishra/Vinay

    Interesting selection for English conditions. Just Bizarre.
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    Irfan Pathan and Vijay are pretty stoopid selections.

    At least they got rid of Dinda.

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    Umesh Yadav is pretty bad in ODI's as well. Dunno what Shami Ahmed did to get dropped ?

    Rohit keeps getting chances based on IPL too. Dunno how long him being mediocre in ODI but not getting into tests will carry on? Rahane dropped too.

    Also, why have they selected 3 spinners in the squad. Are they expecting rank turners in England or gonna play Jadeja as batsman ?

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    Dont have much hope from India in this competition. Dont think we will make it to knockouts


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    It's so weird. Gambhir's piling on the runs in the IPL and they don't select him, yet they pick others based on their performances in the same tournament. No Pujara is dire as well.

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    Urgh, there are so many things I don't understand about that squad. Yadav over Shami Ahmed? Vijay over Pujara, Gambhir or Rahane? Irfan Pathan ahead of someone else?

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    yeah.. would have thought PK might have had a shout as well. Weird side. Surely at least Vijay should not have been picked over Rahane.
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    Umesh (good strike rate), Ishant (good balance of strike and economy) and Bhuvan (good economy rate) will be the seam/swing/pace attack, with Vinay as backup. Ashwin and Mishra for spin. Irfan's presence is the least of the team's worries, as he won't get a game- he may figure only in the practice matches. The Champions' Trophy winds up quickly anyway. Vijay's selection is a disappointment- IPL success apparently doesn't translate into top-flight international success, but they've picked an IPL failure. Likewise Jadeja, whose heroics are good for comic books but actual on-field action is left to Dwayne Bravo for CSK- has been poor with the ball and average with the bat. Mishra, Ashwin and Harbhajan have been ahead of him.

    These two should have been replaced by better specialist batsmen, but the Indian batsmen in this IPL have been poor, bar the usual suspects (Kohli/Raina/Rohit/MSD/KKD/GG/SD- even Yuvraj, Rahane, Tiwary, Uthappa and Mandeep have struggled)- and Kedar Jadhav. I wouldn't mind giving Kedar Jadhav loads of chances the way Jadeja got, but not in the Champions' Trophy.

    We may see Rohit as pinch-hitter opening with Dhawan, with Kohli-Raina-KKD-MSD to follow. Can't go wrong. As long as they keep Jadeja and Irfan out of all the games and the blokes picked do a good job, they can win.

    Shami Ahmed has not played much active cricket, although KKR management are to blame for that- imagine giving Kallis and Bhatia four full overs each time, when he could have handled it. The lack of active cricket is possibly why he missed out, but surely, we, the CW community, can manage teams better than these film stars who own them.
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    Yes Raina bowled ahead of Jadeja in one of the most recent matches - Jadeja didn't bowl at all. He shouldn't be in the 15.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    Also, why have they selected 3 spinners in the squad. Are they expecting rank turners in England or gonna play Jadeja as batsman ?
    Remember the games are played at Cardiff as well, which is in Wales.

    You can expect slow and low ****efests at Cardiff. If they bother to have enough groundsmen around who can be bothered to cover the pitch when it rains.

    Edgbaston tends to be on the slow side, not as flat as it used to be.

    Oval tends to be flat.

    But as ever a lot will depend on the weather.
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    The fact that it's these three grounds that have been selected mean the Sub Continent sides have a much greater chance than many would have you believe. They're no Eden Gardens but they're not quick or seam bowler friendly pitches. They're generally slow and flat ones, and they may turn. It would certainly be much tougher for the SC sides were the games at Trent Bridge, Chester-Le-Street and Headingley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    The fact that it's these three grounds that have been selected mean the Sub Continent sides have a much greater chance than many would have you believe. They're no Eden Gardens but they're not quick or seam bowler friendly pitches. They're generally slow and flat ones, and they may turn. It would certainly be much tougher for the SC sides were the games at Trent Bridge, Chester-Le-Street and Headingley.
    You mean the selectors might have stumbled upon a combination that is better suited to the conditions this time?

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    Flat decks mean trouble for the Indians as a team. Their bowlers are weak on flat decks, so much that their batting has to cover a lot of ground to stay competitive- and their batting isn't particularly good on flat decks either. Nobody in this side has that breathtaking impact that a Gayle, ABdV, Watson, Hussey or Warner have. I'd prefer wickets that have something in it for the bowlers, seam or spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    You mean the selectors might have stumbled upon a combination that is better suited to the conditions this time?
    It's not a terrible squad, because they have a lot of bases (if not all) covered- their two best spinners (or at least two of their best), five seam options of which four are in form, four bowlers who can also score runs, six out of seven in-form batsmen, and even a backup wicketkeeper (but we wonder what he'll do in the outfield), so let's just hope the right folks get a game.

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    Flat decks mean trouble for the Indians as a team. Their bowlers are weak on flat decks, so much that their batting has to cover a lot of ground to stay competitive- and their batting isn't particularly good on flat decks either. Nobody in this side has that breathtaking impact that a Gayle, ABdV, Watson, Hussey or Warner have. I'd prefer wickets that have something in it for the bowlers, seam or spin.
    Not really.

    Indian bowling is ****e, so they'll hope for pitches that negate bowling. Like when India won the 50 over World Cup, which made the game about 90% batting, 6% bowling and 4% fielding.

    Cardiff will champion anti-cricket - the flat hardly spinning rubbish. Mickey mouse medium pacers.

    The other two pitches will likely just favour proper cricket. Whilst they may be on the slow side (most English pitches are) you can still typically play all the shots, trust the pace and bounce.

    I would say picking seamers who are skilled at extracting movement is the most important thing. If you bowl straight up and down up front you'll get carted.

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    I think you're both right to an extent. The more bowler friendly a surface, the less bowling quality matters. It's on the flat pitches that the trump bowlers really made a difference. Obviously India not really having one, means their bowling suffers more than others when the pitches get a bit flatter.

    That being said, I think pitches like these help the Indian batsman far more than they hinder the bowling. Going up to Durham against the Saffa's and they could have been toast, but I'd back most of them to get big runs in this comp. Dhoni in particular could be unstoppable at the death facing cricket balls that are only 20 overs old on good batting decks.

    The media will portray none of the Asian sides to have a chance because conditions will be seamer friendly, but they're wrong. The Asian sides will have a much better chance than they think, because the pitches aren't seam bowler friendly at all.

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