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    Secondaries

    Now we have our own forum, I'll ask a question that's been bugging me for weeks but I hadn't posted because the main thread is so fluid.

    I know people link Concentration to Batting and Consistency to Bowling, but I'm also of the opinion that they also help the other primary as well (to a smaller degree)

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    Am fairly sure that that is the case, albeit very slightly. I know that a batting net will help improve consistency a tiny bit, so you'd then assume that consistency does help with batting, and the same for concentration and bowling. Not worth giving them a net just to get up the other secondary though, at least IMO.
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    A few more questions I've got about secondaries.

    Would a guy with say Respectable bowling and Mediocre consistency be better than a guy who's Comp/Comp? Do secondaries have that much weight that they can replace primary skill? Or is it more like 1/2 the primary weighting? Also, is this more profound in bowling than batting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloete
    A few more questions I've got about secondaries.

    Would a guy with say Respectable bowling and Mediocre consistency be better than a guy who's Comp/Comp? Do secondaries have that much weight that they can replace primary skill? Or is it more like 1/2 the primary weighting? Also, is this more profound in bowling than batting?
    Resp/med definitely> comp/comp. If you've got something like resp/woef and comp/resp though, then it's a bit different.


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    I remember SP saying that 3 secondaries levels = 1 primary. So with that in mind com/resp should be better then resp/woe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    I remember SP saying that 3 secondaries levels = 1 primary. So with that in mind com/resp should be better then resp/woe.
    Fair enough.

    Mainly wondering because Swagat will be competent/wonderful soon. So I'm just wondering how good he is at batting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloete
    A few more questions I've got about secondaries.

    Would a guy with say Respectable bowling and Mediocre consistency be better than a guy who's Comp/Comp? Do secondaries have that much weight that they can replace primary skill? Or is it more like 1/2 the primary weighting? Also, is this more profound in bowling than batting?
    I'd be more comfortable using a bowler with low secondaries than a batsman with low secondaries. I find that batsmen with low concentration tend to get out very cheaply, while bowlers with low consistency are sometimes expensive but are still capable of taking wickets.

    It'll be interesting to see how secondaries will work in FC matches. I'm guessing batsmen with high primaries but lower concentration (e.g. Cuss - wonderful/strong) will be able to get centuries with ease but will have difficulty going on to really big scores. As for bowlers, I assume those with low concentration will be noticeably more expensive than the others, but should still be capable of taking wickets if they have a good primary.

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    hahahah thats quite an unusual mix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamc
    I'd be more comfortable using a bowler with low secondaries than a batsman with low secondaries. I find that batsmen with low concentration tend to get out very cheaply, while bowlers with low consistency are sometimes expensive but are still capable of taking wickets.

    It'll be interesting to see how secondaries will work in FC matches. I'm guessing batsmen with high primaries but lower concentration (e.g. Cuss - wonderful/strong) will be able to get centuries with ease but will have difficulty going on to really big scores. As for bowlers, I assume those with low concentration will be noticeably more expensive than the others, but should still be capable of taking wickets if they have a good primary.
    i think the minimum stamina and concentration/consistency in first class cricket will be competent who agrees

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    I hope its mediocre or im stuffed

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    well thats what they have been saying on the sledging boards

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDominance
    i think the minimum stamina and concentration/consistency in first class cricket will be competent who agrees
    I don't think there'll be a minimum, as such. You'll be able to play feeble stamina players, but I expect they'll take a huge crash in fitness and probably perform poorly in the second innings.

    But assuming you've got a very good bowler with feeble stamina, I hope you can set him to very attacking for the first two sessions of a match, and then hope that's enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00
    I hope its mediocre or im stuffed
    ffs, there is no such thing as a minimum. all just depends on who you're playing. in the lower leagues there will be plenty of sides who don't have . having good secondaries will help, yes, but it's not the end of the world imo if you don't have them
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    Yea, the minimum stamina stuff gets on my nerves. I see it on sledging boards and on JFW, they're like if your openers aren't respectable stamina the sky is going to fall in, all-rounders need at least strong... gawd, they're just as daft when they're on about one-day staminas as well.

    Anyway all my main contributors, except Lisbie who I can just use as a batsman if needs be, should be at least competent stamina by the time the FC games come. The other fill in players don't matter so much as they'll bowl/bat less anyway.

    The 3 secondary level = 1 primary level thing was just my observation of how my players played, I expect it'll be different for FC games and is maybe why the secondaries take so damn long to pop now.
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    well you should be alright i think scaly jus tim really struggling with secondries

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