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    Yeah I think he means an innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodAreasShane View Post
    I love Patto as a cricketer way more than life itself, but I do think his batting is slightly overrated by some here.
    just a tad.

    his top score in tests is a slogged 47 and his fc average is 23 ffs. where has this "pattinson can bat 7 myth" come from, seriously

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    Irrespective of that, Patto is currently worth more* in a line-up than a specialist batsman who is averaging in the high 20s.

    *i am basing this on the underlying theory of Wins Above Replacement value. There are at least 4 specialist batsman in the current Australian line-up who at replacement level or below.
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    Never get this talk about batting/bowling between teams being the same if you remove the one key player. Why would you remove the key player? He wears the team colors too doesn't he? He's a product of the same system too. Feels a bit like patting yourself on the back...if only..


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    tbf playing Patto would also cover for any Starc off days

    so tempting

    but then the lineup would be so thin

    but..patto

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    Geraint Jones was little better at test level than Pattinson an he played at 7. Jones record v Australia was even beneath his overall record. The only times he batted lower than 7 was when Hoggard came in higher for some reason; probably nightwatchman or when England played 6 batsmen at the Oval in 2005. So Pattinson could bat at 7 but you'd need a stronger batting side than we have and atleast as good as the one England had in 2005.

    Though generally speaking and in most conditions I'd have him over Marsh. This coming test being not being one of those occasions though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnodouche View Post
    Never get this talk about batting/bowling between teams being the same if you remove the one key player. Why would you remove the key player? He wears the team colors too doesn't he? He's a product of the same system too. Feels a bit like patting yourself on the back...if only..
    I agree with this. In the case of Steve Smith he’s so head and shoulders above the rest that it gives the opposition captain an excuse.

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    You don't go into the fifth Test of a five Test series one game up and stack the bowling. Particularly not when only two of your batsmen are averaging above 30. I'd rather Marsh than Pattinson for this game but I'd rather a batsman than either of them, and that's coming from probably the biggest Wade sceptic on CW.

    If Cummins isn't quite fit enough to play as part of a four man attack then he doesn't play this game.
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    If Cummins is fit he plays, if not Patto gets a game. Marnus Labuschagne a sufficient option as a fifth bowler imo. No MMarsh please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    You know Lyon has bowled like 30 odd overs a day on average and, even when he hasn't taken wickets, has gone at no more than threes max, don't you?
    Yes, he is good but if he is there only to do a holding job, Labuschagne can do that as well. The pitches or conditions are not conducive for him to take wickets, Australia is one up and just needs a draw. So, why not play Mitch Marsh instead of him and #batdeep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
    Yes, he is good but if he is there only to do a holding job, Labuschagne can do that as well. The pitches or conditions are not conducive for him to take wickets, Australia is one up and just needs a draw. So, why not play Mitch Marsh instead of him and #batdeep.
    because he has 350 test wickets often in conditions that are not conducive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
    Yes, he is good but if he is there only to do a holding job, Labuschagne can do that as well. The pitches or conditions are not conducive for him to take wickets, Australia is one up and just needs a draw. So, why not play Mitch Marsh instead of him and #batdeep.
    A “holding job” implies bowling a large amount of overs at a respectable Econ rate. I serious doubt Labu is capable of that.

    MMarsh has shown zero evidence that he can consistently bat anywhere close to Test standard ,less so in conditions where the ball is doing a bit against a decent attack.

    There aren’t enough decent batsmen in the squad (or even back in Australia) to #batdeep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    It depends on what his issues are, though. If it's general fatigue, then see how he comes up by tomorrow morning and if he's right within himself (he most likely will be) then play him. But if they've done tests and he's getting into that danger area for stress fractures, then he absolutely shouldn't play. An injury like that would rule him out for basically the whole of the home summer. And while I know that's only Pakistan and NZ, you still want him fit for those games rather than out because he played in this one.
    This is essentially it. People seem to think it's 'oh they're not playing a Test for X weeks/months, he'll have plenty of time to recover'. It's not that, it's that if his body is fatigued after all this workload over the past months, he becomes much more susceptible to injury. He has form in that area, right? And by ****ing christ you'd be disappointed if you lost Pat Cummins for the summer when you'd already won the Ashes.

    I'm not saying they should rest him because I don't know how he's feeling. But if there's doubts, you'd have to err on the side of caution. They don't have to play him as others have said.

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    While we are waiting I looked at the last Ashes test at the Oval in 2015.
    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...d-ireland-2015

    Interesting that Mitch Marsh as 5th bowler sent down more overs in the match than Johnson and Starc

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie tragic View Post
    While we are waiting I looked at the last Ashes test at the Oval in 2015.
    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...d-ireland-2015

    Interesting that Mitch Marsh as 5th bowler sent down more overs in the match than Johnson and Starc
    He was far more suited to those conditions than they were. Full medium paced outswing was pretty effective on that deck

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