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    3rd Test at Headingley, Leeds

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    Australia on TAB were paying 2.40 to win the series before the 1st test, 1.60 to win after going up 1-0, now they're at 3.40 despite still having a 1 test lead with one less game to play.

    Archer in and Smith out has just turned things on its head. And to think England were rueing losing 37 ur old Jimmy Anderson
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    Smith is a bigger loss than Anderson. I'm calling it now that if Smith was out there at slip Aus would be 2-0 up

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    For sure. Losing Anderson was a blessing coz I'm not sure Archer gets a gig otherwise this test, Woakes is the Lords specialist and Broad is part of the furniture at this point


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    Australia on TAB were paying 2.40 to win the series before the 1st test, 1.60 to win after going up 1-0, now they're at 3.40 despite still having a 1 test lead with one less game to play.

    Archer in and Smith out has just turned things on its head. And to think England were rueing losing 37 ur old Jimmy Anderson
    That is interesting. Lord's changed a bit but the fact remains as long as Australia win another Test they'll win the Ashes (unless draw is a completely different category). Which still looks very viable to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    That is interesting. Lord's changed a bit but the fact remains as long as Australia win another Test they'll win the Ashes (unless draw is a completely different category). Which still looks very viable to me.
    This is just the series bet, retaining the ashes is a separate bet. The draw is one of the options. I guess the draw looming as a lot more likely now then before the series started a big factor
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    For sure. Losing Anderson was a blessing coz I'm not sure Archer gets a gig otherwise this test, Woakes is the Lords specialist and Broad is part of the furniture at this point
    Let's not pretend Anderson wouldn't have torn it up in his way in the conditions England bowled in
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    Smith is a bigger loss than Anderson. I'm calling it now that if Smith was out there at slip Aus would be 2-0 up
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Let's not pretend Anderson wouldn't have torn it up in his way in the conditions England bowled in
    Might have been less effective than Archer against Smith though

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    1-0 up with 3 to play, I think Australia should just pick XI batsmen and play for the draw.

    No point trying to win with a Smith-less lineup.

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    So I presume Smith will miss this one so we have to be strong favourites to win it. If we don't then the series chance is gone. Same side for England unless the Woakes niggle is too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Let's not pretend Anderson wouldn't have torn it up in his way in the conditions England bowled in
    He would have bowled well, but either of these teams losing a great batsman will effect them more than losing a bowler, no matter how good, because the disparityin strength between both sides' batting and bowling is, as Spark said yesterday, about as large as it's ever been in a test series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    He would have bowled well, but either of these teams losing a great batsman will effect them more than losing a bowler, no matter how good, because the disparityin strength between both sides' batting and bowling is, as Spark said yesterday, about as large as it's ever been in a test series.
    Yeah fully agree. My point was more in reference to Archer for Anderson being a blessing.

    Personally hope we do get to see Anderson and Archer share the new ball this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    He would have bowled well, but either of these teams losing a great batsman will effect them more than losing a bowler, no matter how good, because the disparity in strength between both sides' batting and bowling is, as Spark said yesterday, about as large as it's ever been in a test series.

    That's probably right. 1978/79 springs to mind as a possible alternative; despite looking good on paper, England's batsmen struggled all series. Maybe 1981 too. That looks silly when you see Gower and Gooch in the line-up, but they were as out of form as Root is at present. And Australia's bowling was way superior to their batting in both series. But hand on heart I couldn't really argue with Spark's call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Let's not pretend Anderson wouldn't have torn it up in his way in the conditions England bowled in
    Irrelevant. There's no argument that Smith has been the bigger loss in the context of the series. Highly likely cost Australia this game, and if he missed next game it is much harder for Aus to replace Smith than it is for England to replace Anderson (with Woakes, Broad, Archer they don't really lose much)

    edit: I see Burgey's already covered this

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    can we bring in a concussion sub for TJB
    unfortunately for you per the concussion sub rules you can't replace someone just for being a dumbass
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