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    Roys spot at the top should not be in doubt

    Jason Roy was always going to be under more scrutiny than most Test debutants due to his fantastic achievements with the One-Day side. Plenty of people (generally from countries other than England) were desperate for the chance to over-criticise should he not replicate a Steve Smith-style performance at Edgbaston, which of course was most unlikely, and there could be scope to suggest he fuelled the clamour for criticism with the mode of his dismissals.

    His first innings was a dismissal typical of how sides may look to dismiss Jason Roy, the moving ball in that area just outside off stump prompting a hesitant prod. His second effort concluded in a fashion all haters hoped for, an attempt to assert himself on proceedings in a situation that would generally dictate a more cautious approach only for him to wildly miss with a forceful slog off Nathan Lyon.

    That said, Jason Roy is different and in my opinion should be treated so. He will inevitably be dismissed in ways not generally associated with opening Test batsmen, yet he will entertain in a fashion rarely ever seen by an Englishman at the top of the order.

    This isnt one-day cricket, to state the obvious, and his biggest challenge will be to get the right tempo to his innings and balance that limited-overs aggression with periods where a more watchful approach may be wise, but we dont want to change the flamboyance and destructive nature that seems to come so easily to him. He has a match-winning x-factor about his style and his quality, a bar-emptying skill.

    England have a habit of turning tearaway quicks into something more orthodox and quite frankly, boring, I sincerely hope we dont try and do something similar with Roy. We need someone to stand up to a Pat Cummins or a Mitchell Starc or Nathan Lyon, he may need a bit of luck early on (in both his innings and his Test career) but should he get in, he could destroy any attack, but we may need to be patient while he comes to terms with the five-day game.

    Yes the ball moves more, yes the pressure is more intense, yes it would have been more beneficial had Roy played more first-class cricket, but hes not phased by the very best bowlers in the world and has the ability, in my opinion, to excel for England at the top in his own inimitable style. Hell do that by looking to hit boundaries when the opportunity arises, utilising what can be a very solid defence, and taking full advantage when hes set.

    Roy needs to stay for the entire series and he needs to be backed by England, which Im sure he will be.
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    He's just not very good. I don't think he should be dropped after 2 games but he evidently isn't a test match opener's arsehole. You don't have to be a 'hater' to realise that.
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    He will get the full series for sure. England have done that with everyone for the last few years with the exception of Pope which is weird as he is by the far the youngest of the lot.

    His selection has felt inevitable for a while so it is was not one that really bothers me but there is almost no evidence at all that it is going to work. Would love to be wrong. It is really hard to see where England go with their batting right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    He's just not very good. I don't think he should be dropped after 2 games but he evidently isn't a test match opener's arsehole. You don't have to be a 'hater' to realise that.
    Presumably him not being very good is based on just the one Test ? Or have you seen him play sufficient county cricket over the years ?


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    I remember watching him 80 in a session for Surrey years back. It was great to watch but he did batting at number 5 of 6. Has he ever opened for Surrey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    He will get the full series for sure. England have done that with everyone for the last few years with the exception of Pope which is weird as he is by the far the youngest of the lot.

    His selection has felt inevitable for a while so it is was not one that really bothers me but there is almost no evidence at all that it is going to work. Would love to be wrong. It is really hard to see where England go with their batting right now.
    I agree that he doesn’t have a CV that boasts masses of success, I think with his recent county record and his ODI performances there’s enough to suggest he’s earned it.

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    I think most Australians will be ok with England continuing to select him in this series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    I remember watching him 80 in a session for Surrey years back. It was great to watch but he did batting at number 5 of 6. Has he ever opened for Surrey?
    Fairly certain he hasn’t doesn’t it much in recent seasons since Stoneman arrived to partner Burns, it’s unlikely Surrey would’ve wanted to split those two up, especially with Roy’s general unavailability. He batted three against Essex last season and got a ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodster View Post
    Presumably him not being very good is based on just the one Test ? Or have you seen him play sufficient county cricket over the years ?
    I've seen him in ODIs where the ball has actually moved and he's looked at sea. Couple that with a middling FC average and a temperament suited to LO cricket. Would be fun to see him score but I don't think he has it in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    I've seen him in ODIs where the ball has actually moved and he's looked at sea. Couple that with a middling FC average and a temperament suited to LO cricket. Would be fun to see him score but I don't think he has it in him.
    It’s difficult when it’s a moving ball and you have to score at a certain rate that brings its own pressures with it. He has a temperament that shows he isn’t phased at all by the biggest occasion. If you don’t think he has it in him, that’s fair enough. For me, if he’s given the right platform to be able to go out there and perform we could have a match winner on our hands.

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    I remember thinking when I watched him getting worked over by Boult and Henry in the WC final in test-esque conditions that he'd really struggle in the Ashes. Agree it's not worth dropping him yet, but he really does strike me as having many of the same issues that Martin Guptill did during his various stints in test match cricket.
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    Hes been chosen because there are no Test quality openers around and hes proved he has the temperament for International Cricket. Whether he succeeds I rather doubt. But in the absence of anything better his occasional run a ball 50 will have to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    He’s been chosen because there are no Test quality openers around and he’s proved he has the temperament for International Cricket. Whether he succeeds I rather doubt. But in the absence of anything better his occasional run a ball 50 will have to do.
    How do we know there isn't? Sibley at Warks is playing some beautiful cricket this year, and averaging 63 almost this year, albeit it being his first year doing so. My issue is that they have, again, picked an ODI player who plays aggresively against restricted fields in OD cricket, against bowlers usually not having a long spell and looking to keep the economy down, and thought he'd do well in Tests and therefore ignoring the other options available. I would have little issue if he came further down the order, say 5/6 (and dropping Buttler to do this for instance), as that is where his skills would make sense. But an opener, should be someone who you can trust to see out the swinging new ball, and in conditions like today, I have little faith he can last more than 30-40 balls, and maybe score a run a ball 40-50 once a series.

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    Don't wreck Sibley by playing him too early.

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    Sibley is hardly a proven Test class opener, which is what I said we dont have and why Roy was chosen.

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