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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Flint View Post
    Her comment;
    'If he's the best then why can't we pay him to play for us,'
    Basically rings true for archer unfoetunately
    Except nobody had heard of him before he played for England.
    You flew out to India
    When your country needed you
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    What a find.....

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    That's not really true, people had heard of him at least. In fact a quick look through early posts about him is the discussion of how he wasn't getting picked for Barbados or the WI under 19s. Which is pretty damning of what he was like as a teenager - if you take any proven international player, they were pretty much always a star in youth cricket. Archer is one of the few who wasn't.

    It honestly goes to show how much English cricket did for him in the mean time. Notion that he was a world beater that England just parachuted in is nonsense. But hey, facts never stopped people from moaning before.
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    Wasn’t Smith eligible to play for England or am I confusing him with someone else?
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    Symonds was back in the day as he was born in Birmingham but no idea on Smith.


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    Smith has an English parent, so he was always eligible to play other sports for England but not cricket. I remember hearing about him picking up an English passport at one stage but that doesn't change the residency rules, I think.

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    Probably worth often restating how it’s harder to qualify for England in cricket compared to other sports
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    It honestly goes to show how much English cricket did for him in the mean time. Notion that he was a world beater that England just parachuted in is nonsense. But hey, facts never stopped people from moaning before.
    The perception that he was parachuted in comes because the eligibility rules were significantly tightened a few years back, he came and started performing domestically, and then were conveniently relaxed in time the WC. If they hadn't tightened them in the first place it wouldn't be perceived that way, although you'd still get some grumbles.

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    That’s true and I certainly don’t mean to imply that the powers that be care about the integrity of the eligibility rules in any way. They clearly don’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    I usually only go crazy in ODI stuff really. And occasionally when the selectors go completely insane.
    i like you. we all have our biases. your queensland is my central districts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    if you take any proven international player, they were pretty much always a star in youth cricket. Archer is one of the few who wasn't.
    is this really true? i can't speak for other teams because i don't know enough, but for us

    raval - no
    latham - kind of
    kane - yes
    ross - yes
    nicholls - no
    colin - zimbabwe u19s as opener so....maybe?
    watling - no
    spinner of the month - no
    wagner - maybe in sa?
    southee - yes
    boult - kind of, in southees shadow

    for odi specialists

    ferguson - no
    henry - no
    guptill - no
    neesh - kind of
    munro - no, but also not proven international player
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    There was actually a poster here (might have been hasza?) who posted all the way back in 2010/11, I think, while Smith was still seen as a legspinning all-rounder by the general public, that England should have tried to poach him or they’d regret it. He wasn’t wrong!
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    Can a mod please change the title of this thread to 'The stephen thread' so he has a place for his crackpot drivel

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    Can’t cop the truth bombs can you?

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    The whole "Anderson wouldn't have made the Australian regularly" isn't actually as dumb as it sounds though.

    Of course it completely ignores that if Anderson had grown up playing in Australia his game would have adapted, and in no way should it be used as a serious judgement of him as a bowler.

    But what stephen says is in essence correct. If you magically transplant mid-career Anderson to Australia he might not be a regular, especially at home. You can't really say that about a lot of other great bowlers. Magically transplant McGrath to England and he does just as well, maybe even better.

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    I suppose if you want to ignore that crucial bit then yes. Probably about as relevant as saying Steve Smith would've never played test cricket if he was born and raised in China though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    The whole "Anderson wouldn't have made the Australian regularly" isn't actually as dumb as it sounds though.

    Of course it completely ignores that if Anderson had grown up playing in Australia his game would have adapted, and in no way should it be used as a serious judgement of him as a bowler.

    But what stephen says is in essence correct. If you magically transplant mid-career Anderson to Australia he might not be a regular, especially at home. You can't really say that about a lot of other great bowlers. Magically transplant McGrath to England and he does just as well, maybe even better.
    I mean you're right, but that is a completely horrible point to ignore. Like it should make the argument an irrelevant one.
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