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    What difference would a "technical guy" make? Do you not realise the technology is not handled by the 3rd ump, he simply uses it to review the decision. I highly doubt all of you are "technical" guys and yet everyone has come to the conclusion it was not out. So the issue isnt someone having an IT degree or not, the issue is Dar was wrong but it happens. That's umpiring. DRS has eliminated probably 90% of wrong/bad decisions but it can't be perfect because humans are not perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oblongballs View Post
    What difference would a "technical guy" make? Do you not realise the technology is not handled by the 3rd ump, he simply uses it to review the decision. I highly doubt all of you are "technical" guys and yet everyone has come to the conclusion it was not out. So the issue isnt someone having an IT degree or not, the issue is Dar was wrong but it happens. That's umpiring. DRS has eliminated probably 90% of wrong/bad decisions but it can't be perfect because humans are not perfect.
    I thought the problem wasn't that Dar was wrong (people seem happy that it was out) but that the process he used to arrive at his decision was flawed and could have resulted in an incorrect decision being made. I agree with your first and last sentences, though I would suggest that even if the third umpire doesn't need to directly operate the technology, having specialist 3rd umpires still wouldn't be a bad idea, as they'd just rack up so much more experience using the system that whilst mistakes would still inevitably happen, they should be much fewer and further between. I think they should be (relatively) easy to train, since I guess they'd only need to know a limited part of the laws?

    That said, does Dar's (an experienced umpire) seeming to struggle with the process of 3rd umpiring suggest that the standards to which existing umpires are trained with the system are basically inadequate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oblongballs View Post
    What difference would a "technical guy" make? Do you not realise the technology is not handled by the 3rd ump, he simply uses it to review the decision. I highly doubt all of you are "technical" guys and yet everyone has come to the conclusion it was not out. So the issue isnt someone having an IT degree or not, the issue is Dar was wrong but it happens. That's umpiring. DRS has eliminated probably 90% of wrong/bad decisions but it can't be perfect because humans are not perfect.
    I'm with this actually. The 3rd umpire's job when handling a DRS referral is not technical in the slightest. They don't operate any of the equipment, just "analyse" the results, and even then it's not like much analysis is really needed.

    The errors that have happened or "mistakes" like this one are in no way a result of a lack of technical expertise. It's just a lack of common sense/professional incompetence, possibly brought about by being under pressure.

    Not that I don't think an IT guy who's not an umpire couldn't do it. I think anyone with common sense and a vague knowledge of cricket could do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJediBrah View Post
    I'm with this actually. The 3rd umpire's job when handling a DRS referral is not technical in the slightest. They don't operate any of the equipment, just "analyse" the results, and even then it's not like much analysis is really needed.

    The errors that have happened or "mistakes" like this one are in no way a result of a lack of technical expertise. It's just a lack of common sense/professional incompetence, possibly brought about by being under pressure.

    Not that I don't think an IT guy who's not an umpire couldn't do it. I think anyone with common sense and a vague knowledge of cricket could do it.
    I think the most likeliest explanation is that Dar just had a brain fade and forgot that it's not out if the glove is off the handle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bijed View Post
    I thought the problem wasn't that Dar was wrong (people seem happy that it was out) but that the process he used to arrive at his decision was flawed and could have resulted in an incorrect decision being made. I agree with your first and last sentences, though I would suggest that even if the third umpire doesn't need to directly operate the technology, having specialist 3rd umpires still wouldn't be a bad idea, as they'd just rack up so much more experience using the system that whilst mistakes would still inevitably happen, they should be much fewer and further between. I think they should be (relatively) easy to train, since I guess they'd only need to know a limited part of the laws?

    That said, does Dar's (an experienced umpire) seeming to struggle with the process of 3rd umpiring suggest that the standards to which existing umpires are trained with the system are basically inadequate?
    I don't think most people are happy it was given out. The angels available cold not differentiate if the ball hit either glove or something else, plus there was not hotspot from the other angle. I remember reading somewhere that in the DRS process, snicko is given almost absolute authority so even without a hotspot showing, it c an be given out. The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain from the pics if the ball hit the first hand or the back hand, which was off the bat.

    Now considering the on field decision was not out (right?) the 3rd ump must have "conclusive" evidence to overturn the decision and no one believes the evidence was conclusive other than Dar himself. It's odd because he is one of the best umpires going but why he could not figure this one out is strange and likely a result of him not being called into action as 3rd ump that often.
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