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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Morkel maybe. No way he's better than Philander as of now. I still don't think people appreciate how consistently great Philander has been for the best part of 6 years now.
    Don't disagree with that (except maybe the Morkel maybe - he offers way more than Morne), but will Steyn ever play Tests again? And if he does for how long? Apart from Rabada all the good SA quicks are on the wrong side of 32. When was the last time all four were actually available for a Test? Starc would play a lot lot more tests for SA right now than he would miss through selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adub View Post
    Don't disagree with that (except maybe the Morkel maybe - he offers way more than Morne), but will Steyn ever play Tests again? And if he does for how long? Apart from Rabada all the good SA quicks are on the wrong side of 32. When was the last time all four were actually available for a Test? Starc would play a lot lot more tests for SA right now than he would miss through selection.
    Isn't Steyn slated to play against India?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Morkel maybe. No way he's better than Philander as of now. I still don't think people appreciate how consistently great Philander has been for the best part of 6 years now.
    Yep. Philander has a 5 runs lower bowling average, has a clearly superior economy rate and only a slightly worse strike rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    The only reason Starc doesn't get a game for South Africa is because he's white. He plays ahead of Philander and Morkel otherwise.
    Not a chance in hell I would pick Starc over Philander. Even Morkel is questionable.


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    Wags is good, but he'd play about as many Tests as the Chadd if he was over here in the Shield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Isn't Steyn slated to play against India?
    He was slated to play against Australia at the WACA a year ago. Even made it to stumps on day 1.

    Not knocking a great, but none of us are getting any younger and he's only survived past the 1st test of a series once in the last 25 months and that was a 2-test series against NZ.

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    He would obviously get picked for India, that's a no-brainer. He's excellent in Asian conditions as well. If I had to choose between him and Hazlewood, considering where India play the majority of our games, I'd take Starc, though Hazlewood is probably the superior bowler overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Morkel maybe. No way he's better than Philander as of now. I still don't think people appreciate how consistently great Philander has been for the best part of 6 years now.
    No I think selectors would pick Starc over Philander regardless of statistics. Starc is one of those guys that selectors absolutely love to pick because they are so exciting to watch. Rabada and Steyn would take the new ball and Starc would bowl first change.

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    fmd australia need an away tour. hurrrrr starc would make the 80s west indies hurrrrrrrr

    but then what can one expect from benchmarks leftovers
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Wagner is the most Australian fast bowler not to play for Australia.
    ok.

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    fmd australia need an away tour. hurrrrr starc would make the 80s west indies hurrrrrrrr

    but then what can one expect from benchmarks leftovers
    How would an away tour help? Getting Starc away from Aussie roads would make him look better wouldn't it?
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    He is though. He's big, he's angry he's aggressivetm and has Amazonian chest hair. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia dropped boring line and length Haze for demon Wags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    fmd australia need an away tour. hurrrrr starc would make the 80s west indies hurrrrrrrr

    but then what can one expect from benchmarks leftovers
    Yeah I'm not exactly calling Starc Wasim Akram here. Just saying that selectors would pick him because he's a 150 kph left arm quick who takes a lot of wickets. I don't think a country in the world wouldn't pick him, even South Africa who have slightly better bowlers.

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    And honestly it's not like I haven't said on countless occasions that I rate Hazlewood, Cummins and Pattinson as all being better bowlers than Starc.

    But Starc has attributes which get him picked even if he didn't deserve it (he does deserve it btw).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Yeah I'm not exactly calling Starc Wasim Akram here. Just saying that selectors would pick him because he's a 150 kph left arm quick who takes a lot of wickets. I don't think a country in the world wouldn't pick him, even South Africa who have slightly better bowlers.
    Philander is not just a slightly better bowler though (I think Morkel would be a slightly better bowler ATS), he's quite a bit better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    Anderson is the only quick that England would pick over Starc IMO
    Is Stuart Broad injured in this hypothetical fantasy land or is this just another one of your nonsense posts?
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