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    Well it seems the current England team has taken Bart's words from that episode to heart: Can't win don't try
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    Having read a couple of the reports this match really highlights England's problems currently with players just below the test side. Against a weak side batsmen struggled to score runs. Pretty unanimous view was that Ball, Leach and Crane all looked particularly poor.

    During my 5 weeks in the UK in the summer I get in 7 or 8 days of County Cricket. The bowling in Division one is well below what you see elsewhere in the world and in Division two it's truly atrocious. It's allowing some deeply flawed batsmen to get figures which makes them look world beaters. Not really sure what the answer is. Its a real concern where England go when Cook, Anderson and Broad call it a day. It's easy to imagine England tumbling in the rankings over the next couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRC67 View Post
    Having read a couple of the reports this match really highlights England's problems currently with players just below the test side. Against a weak side batsmen struggled to score runs. Pretty unanimous view was that Ball, Leach and Crane all looked particularly poor.

    During my 5 weeks in the UK in the summer I get in 7 or 8 days of County Cricket. The bowling in Division one is well below what you see elsewhere in the world and in Division two it's truly atrocious. It's allowing some deeply flawed batsmen to get figures which makes them look world beaters. Not really sure what the answer is. Its a real concern where England go when Cook, Anderson and Broad call it a day. It's easy to imagine England tumbling in the rankings over the next couple of years.
    Notts', at least on paper, was almost test-standard (Broad, Pattinson, Ball, Gurney)! One of the better seasons for emerging bowlers also (Porter, Coad, Archer and Garton) - better than last year.

    You have to remember, the ECB are buggering the championship up the arse and have been doing so on a frequent basis. They'll continue to destroy it to make room for a bish bosh bash Australian style twenty20 competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.Kennedy View Post
    Notts', at least on paper, was almost test-standard (Broad, Pattinson, Ball, Gurney)! One of the better seasons for emerging bowlers also (Porter, Coad, Archer and Garton) - better than last year.

    You have to remember, the ECB are buggering the championship up the arse and have been doing so on a frequent basis. They'll continue to destroy it to make room for a bish bosh bash Australian style twenty20 competition.
    Broad was the last English bowler to really establish himself as an international 10 years ago. While I agree the format of domestic cricket last year was a disaster England have been failing to develop real test quality bowlers for some time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.Kennedy View Post
    Notts', at least on paper, was almost test-standard (Broad, Pattinson, Ball, Gurney)! One of the better seasons for emerging bowlers also (Porter, Coad, Archer and Garton) - better than last year.
    With the first 3 having more experience and better records why was Garton selected to tour with the Lions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    With the first 3 having more experience and better records why was Garton selected to tour with the Lions?
    Archer isn't eligible yet I don't think. As for the other two, I presume the selectors feel that Garton has better tools to be sucessful than Coad and Porter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
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    They do if you're a cosmopolitan soy drinker.

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    I think Porter is buggered. Archer is not eligible and then needs to decide whether he plays for England and the West Indies. Coad is a very exciting prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRC67 View Post
    Broad was the last English bowler to really establish himself as an international 10 years ago. While I agree the format of domestic cricket last year was a disaster England have been failing to develop real test quality bowlers for some time.
    I think part of the reason is the success of Broad and Anderson. They have been so dominant that it is always a case of the rest of the bowlers competing and being rotated in the other two slots. Even during the Flower era we were seeing your Bresnans, Onions', Finns and Tremletts being rotated.

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    More due to injury than rotations no?

    Tremlett Bresnan Onions Finn felt like a very solid backup to Broad and Anderson at the time, but they all fell away so quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    More due to injury than rotations no?

    Tremlett Bresnan Onions Finn felt like a very solid backup to Broad and Anderson at the time, but they all fell away so quickly.
    In the case of Onions, he was barely given a chance (nine test matches). He wasn't favoured by Andy Flower. 70 wickets at 18.45 (2013) one would assume would've got Onions on the '13-14 Ashes flight but nope.

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    I don't think Onions was tall enough for David Saker. I just read a Wisden article where he talks about how he loves tall bowlers because they can get more out of the pitch blahdy blah. Went well in 13/14 didn't it?

    Also said he got Anderson and Broad to shorten their length to fit with his bowling dry strategy. Also works well in Australia, not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfighter View Post
    I don't think Onions was tall enough for David Saker. I just read a Wisden article where he talks about how he loves tall bowlers because they can get more out of the pitch blahdy blah. Went well in 13/14 didn't it?

    Also said he got Anderson and Broad to shorten their length to fit with his bowling dry strategy. Also works well in Australia, not.
    I just love it when fixated coaches cop it. Harris is 5'10" and Johnson just over 6' which is tall but not the tall that Saker likes. same with Lehmann and pace. I kind of enjoyed it when Anderson swung hoops around our guys in Adelaide just to remind Lehmann his preference for speed is an unhealthy fetish. You could point at the scoreboard but Philander and Abbott dominated us while rarely exceeding 135ks.

    Makes you wonder if Lee Johnson Tait S Clarke D Flemming and McGrath all started out at the same time and Lehmann was the coach there'd be a good chance we'd have never seen the last three.
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