***Official*** 3rd Test at the WACA

[OverratedSanity]

Never seen Herath bowl a proper arm ball. Always one with sidespin that skids rather than gripping.

No he doesn't. Herath's arm ball is just a normal off break that doesn't turn, like most finger spinners.

Well that's definitely wrong. You're confusing Herath with Jadeja. Fatty has one of the best arm balls ever.

 

[stephen]

It was pretty clear that Starc was aiming for that crack given his line. It was a good ball.

I'm not going to criticise a bowler for bowling to exploit the pitch and being successful for it.

This pitch is an amalgamation of every single WACA wicket before it. It's fast, has trampoline bounce but was a road if you got in. It also has cracks that are opening up on the last two days. Top WACA wicket IMO.

Smith again the real difference between the two teams.

I can't think of the last time I saw 5 lbws in the same innings. I can't ever remember it happening at the WACA.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well that's definitely wrong. You're confusing Herath with Jadeja. Fatty has one of the best arm balls ever.

I don't know why you think that but clearly I'm not going to change your mind so fair play

 

[Burgey]

That’s that then. Rain depriving England of setting up a chase late tomorrow

 

[Starfighter]

Well that's definitely wrong. You're confusing Herath with Jadeja. Fatty has one of the best arm balls ever.

No, you're wrong. Herath's straight delivery spins sideways like his normal one. He varies his arm position a little and sometimes cuts slightly more under the ball, which may sometimes land it on the shiny side where it won't grip, but he always relies on chance that the ball doesn't grip i.e. natural variation. The same goes for Shakib's (non-)arm ball, he tends to go more round arm and force it through but it's still chance that the ball doesn't turn.

An arm ball is forced out the front of the hand rather than off the side and is seam up, and swings into the batsmen (if around the wicket) before continuing straight, giving the appearance of drift. It's not often bowled because using natural variation is way easier and a true arm ball is relatively easily picked by a good batsman.

The best example is Murray Bennett's to Viv Richards, you can clearly see the release in the slow mo. I've never seen Herath bowl one and to my knowledge he never has.

 

[TheJediBrah]

No, you're wrong. Herath's straight delivery spins sideways like his normal one. He varies his arm position a little and sometimes cuts slightly more under the ball, which may sometimes land it on the shiny side where it won't grip, but he always relies on chance that the ball doesn't grip i.e. natural variation. The same goes for Shakib's (non-)arm ball, he tends to go more round arm and force it through but it's still chance that the ball doesn't turn.

An arm ball is forced out the front of the hand rather than off the side and is seam up, and swings into the batsmen (if around the wicket) before continuing straight, giving the appearance of drift. It's not often bowled because using natural variation is way easier and a true arm ball is relatively easily picked by a good batsman.

The best example is Murray Bennett's to Viv Richards, you can clearly see the release in the slow mo. I've never seen Herath bowl one and to my knowledge he never has.

Great post. You very rarely see anyone bowl an actual arm ball these days.

 

[stephen]

OK can we expel discussions of non-English and Australian bowlers now.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Well in that case the first thing to do is obvious. You know how the Americans in World War 2 put all the Japanese in horrible camps because they were a threat to national security after they bombed the American fleet? Just copy that, maybe give them their own team like the Americans did too.

I'm not entirely kidding, do that, burn all the academies and then maybe give the English players more games.

I am a big supporter of the big glitzy overseas signings (only one per team permitted) like Sangakarra. It is one of the reasons I'm a huge fan of county cricket. It is these kolpaker/dodgy passport guys who clog up certain teams like Gloucestshire and Glamorgan who are the problem.

 

[Spark]

OK can we expel discussions of non-English and Australian bowlers now.

This discussion is actually interesting, though.

 

[JRC67]

My guess all over by lunch. Australian bowlers have been excellent in the first session of the day all series.

 

[Spikey]

as always I believe the team batting should be able to do enough to draw the match and will be disappointed when they don't

(admittedly I'm not as firm in my belief due to them being 4 down instead of 3)

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Break this partnership and it is over within an hour and a half. Be nice to show some fight for once but not expecting it from Moeen or Woakes and the rest will be blasted away.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Listening to post-mortems with the England set-up and they seemed to have put their entire faith in cracks opening up when bowling. That was as advanced a plan they had!

 

[vcs]

SL ground out a draw (albeit on a complete flat wicket) recently, I would like to see some fight and application from the English batsmen tomorrow. They will probably go down some time after lunch though.

 

[MW1304]

How the **** did Starc do that?

Nah I've seen England in this position so many times in the last few years and we always fold.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Nah I've seen England in this position so many times in the last few years and we always fold.

Will hurt even more when this pair fight for ages and both get out for 60 odd then the rest surrender meekly before rain comes 10 minutes after the game ends.

 

[Tannhauser]

I give it half an hour in the morning.

The usual gutless response from England. Heads need to roll after this tour. Why is a one-day coach running England's Test strategy? That's working well isn't it?

 

[morgieb]

My guess all over by lunch. Australian bowlers have been excellent in the first session of the day all series.

Can’t see there being enough/any play before lunch, personally.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Can’t see there being enough/any play before lunch, personally.

Is the forecast that bad?

Or are you raising my hopes for no reason here?

 

[oblongballs]

What is the forecast like?

England's only hope is surviving till the rain comes, IF it comes but even then all hope is slim.