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    I also think Woakes will be a bit more of a handful this Test if thereís a bit of life and movement in it. It was a surprise to go for Ball over Overton and I donít think theyíll revert to Overton after the one Test.

    As for Wood, we all know what he adds to the side when he is fully fit and firing, ie bowling at full tilt, canít imagine heíll be in that position by Adelaide.

    I also agree on Bairstow being too low at the moment, this is a great opportunity to give him more time at the crease and he deserves the opportunity to bat at six for me.
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    No way England will pick up a test here as we cannot pick up 20 wickets. That Australian 2nd innings could have lasted 20 days and England still wouldn't have a wicket. Bring in Wood and Crane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larwood's_boots View Post
    Wood is clearly different to the others, and in a way that would seem to suit conditions down under. He looks terrific early this summer against the Saffers and he'll add a lot if healthy. Crane on the other hand is definitely a weird one, especially with Rashid just sitting there. Also I wouldn't take out Woakes at this point just because he's better with the bat than any other option, at least until you can fix the top order somehow.
    Um did you watch that series? He was terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    I think it is 1-0.
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    But seriously, it's 1-0 and they performed way better than expected and might have the best all rounder in the world coming back into the team. No need to panic, a couple of the bowlers underperformed- like I said before the main problem for me is bairstow batting way too far down the order. It's nothing that can't be fixed and certainly doesn't require major surgery, especially given the general consensus that the day night game will be good for jimmy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MW1304 View Post
    Um did you watch that series? He was terrible.
    Looked great in the one day games then tailed off in the test series where he was by all accounts playing below full fitness. I'm not saying rush him back in, but if he does well for the lions then that could be a very good alternative option

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    How do England take 20 wickets? Please somebody supply an answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodster View Post
    I also think Woakes will be a bit more of a handful this Test if there’s a bit of life and movement in it. It was a surprise to go for Ball over Overton and I don’t think they’ll revert to Overton after the one Test.

    As for Wood, we all know what he adds to the side when he is fully fit and firing, ie bowling at full tilt, can’t imagine he’ll be in that position by Adelaide.

    I also agree on Bairstow being too low at the moment, this is a great opportunity to give him more time at the crease and he deserves the opportunity to bat at six for me.
    Maybe even top five for me, if he can't keep and bat that high at the same time then he shouldn't keep (especially given that foakes first class average is only four below small).

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.Kennedy View Post
    How do England take 20 wickets? Please somebody supply an answer?
    They got ten in the first innings, reckon they could try that twice. Just a thought....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    I'm trying to think back to last year - wasn't there a lot less swing and seam movement in the evening than the year before? I seem to recall they left a fair bit less grass on the deck than the year before as the pink ball now holds up ok.
    Pretty sure you're right. Would love to see the wicket of 2 years ago as that would surely suit us best......but the chances of that are pretty remote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larwood's_boots View Post
    They got ten in the first innings, reckon they could try that twice. Just a thought....
    The Aussie second innings could still be playing now and they wouldn't have a wicket.

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    You can't give Warner a small total to chase. He loves it. You need scoreboard pressure which you don't look capable of right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.Kennedy View Post
    How do England take 20 wickets? Please somebody supply an answer?
    Increase test matches to 15 days..
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    I agree Burgey, there wasn't anything too dramatic about the swing under lights last year in Adelaide.

    Starc and Haze ripped the Saffers top order apart before dinner and they declared with an hour to go to try and use the evening conditions. Uzi and Renshaw just blocked it out.

    Abbott got Renshaw and Warner early next afternoon, but then it needed a run out to stop Smith, Khawaja went big and Handscomb racked up a 50 on debut. Mad Dog and Wade going cheap under lights isn't really surprising. They would have done the same in bright sunshine.

    Then Starc belted a 50 with the tail to pretty much win the game next afternoon. Saffer's battled to 6/196 at stumps with only Cook and Amla showing any resistance. They lost 4 in the last session, but three of those were to Lyon, so you can hardly say swing was the problem.

    Starc, Haze and Bird cleaned up the tail next day and we didn't have any real problems chasing 127.

    The pitch still had a bit, but no where near as much grass as the first d/n test. Pretty standard cricket. Will still very likely be the most favourable conditions for the English attack they get over here, but expecting it to be hooping around like an overcast day in blighty with a Dukes is unrealistic. Good conditions to bat if you get in, fast outfield, but plenty of pace, and a bit in it for the bowlers. Huge crowds. Should be an absolute cracker.
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    Yeah, I think that while facing a new ball under lights is more difficult the effect is exaggerated and teams tend to psyche themselves out about it.

    As far as I recall the most Starc moved the ball during the SA match was his morning spell with the new ball at the end of SA's second innings, and that in the match the most difficult period for batting seemed to when Abbott was bowling on the second morning. And the ball didn't move that much more at night, if at all.

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