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    Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Zinzan's Avatar
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    Slightly non-Ashes related, but what about the best XI of the English test summer to date?

    Rogers
    Cook *
    Williamson
    Smith
    Root
    Stokes
    Watling +
    Broad
    Hazel/Starc/Finn
    Lyon
    Boult

    Handy side.

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    Anderson ahead of Haze/Starc/Finn

    Can't see too much else I'd take issue with
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    Nah, Anderson's 16 wickets @ over 33 with a SR of 62 (in 5 tests) doesn't cut it compared to the other 3 if we're honest.

    Hazel 16 wickets @ 25 & SR of 41 (4 tests)

    Starc 18 wickets @ 28 & SR 41 (5 tests)

    Finn 12 wickets @ 22 & SR 39 (3 test)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Nah, Anderson's 16 wickets @ over 33 with a SR of 62 (in 5 tests) doesn't cut it compared to the other 3 if we're honest.

    Hazel 16 wickets @ 25 & SR of 41 (4 tests)

    Starc 18 wickets @ 28 & SR 41 (5 tests)

    Finn 12 wickets @ 22 & SR 39 (3 test)
    Misleading stats maybe? Personally think Anderson bowled better than Haze/Starc overall. His average probably would've plummeted greatly if he'd played at Trentbridge too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Misleading stats maybe? Personally think Anderson bowled better than Haze/Starc overall. His average probably would've plummeted greatly if he'd played at Trentbridge too.
    Yeah thought you might disagree. To balance Trent Bridge out a bit, let's not forget Anderson got first bite on what was an extremely fruity day 1 pitch in Headingley vs. NZ when he took his 400. From memory NZ were 0-2 after losing the toss, and it was hooping all over the place. those other bowlers didn't get to bowl on that.

    What's ur XI btw?
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    Look maybe am biased on the Haze/Starc thing, but Finn ahead of Anderson is madness. Finn has performed excellently in one test this summer, where Jimmy also had a stellar game. His spell at Edgbaston first dig was every bit as series defining, in terms of the result, as Broad's at TB. He therefore also gets in ahead of Haze at the very least, and I would say Starc too.<br>&nbsp;
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Look maybe am biased on the Haze/Starc thing, but Finn ahead of Anderson is madness. Finn has performed excellently in one test this summer, where Jimmy also had a stellar game. His spell at Edgbaston first dig was every bit as series defining, in terms of the result, as Broad's at TB. He therefore also gets in ahead of Haze at the very least, and I would say Starc too.<br>*
    This is an XI based on the English test summer to date, not based on their careers, so it's not that strange to think Finn has been more impressive in his 3 tests than Jimmy has in his 5.

    As I said above, Jimmy had beautiful conditions to bowl in at Headingley vs. NZ, so not sure the fact he missed TB puts him at such a disadvantage.

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    The only downside to Jimmeh was that he was totally ineffectual in good batting conditions at Lords #that'sthewayherolls

    But it's rare when he isn't the first paceman picked in England and this isn't one of those times

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    Hard to justify Cook's selection on captaincy alone unless it's an Ashes XI - let him captain, bat him at 5 (no-one else) and hope someone runs the **** out

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    The only downside to Jimmeh was that he was totally ineffectual in good batting conditions at Lords #that'sthewayherolls

    But it's rare when he isn't the first paceman picked in England and this isn't one of those times

    Perhaps I should have been clearer. The XI is supposed to be based on performances this English summer, not based on the best team you can pick from the 3 sides generally. If that was the criteria, Jimmy would make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    This is an XI based on the English test summer to date, not based on their careers, so it's not that strange to think Finn has been more impressive in his 3 tests than Jimmy has in his 5.

    As I said above, Jimmy had beautiful conditions to bowl in at Headingley vs. NZ, so not sure the fact he missed TB puts him at such a disadvantage.
    Yeah I understand that but Finn hasn't been more impressive than Anderson. In the one match where Finn shone, Jimmy did too, and though Finn was a deserved MOTM, it was Anderson's first innings sixfer that win us that game

    In the other games he's played, Finn has not done enough to have outperformed Anderson. IMO

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    Yeah Anderson's had 3-4 really good matches, Finn has had one good match and one ok match.

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    It would be a stretch to suggest Anderson's had 4 good matches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    It would be a stretch to suggest Anderson's had 4 good matches.
    Hes had one excellent match, a few decent (both NZ games but more the Headingley one, and Cardiff) and one poor game
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    I thought you were just talking about the Ashes and considered I was mental.

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