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    If someone took 40 wickets next season at 20 would you keep Lyon?
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    24 @ 22
    41 @ 20
    28 @ 23

    not bad numbers for a finger spinner in his last three seasons

    not too bad on the A tour of India either with 14 @ 20.

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    I stand corrected and am disappointed in myself for not knowing that. His 7 for in India wasn't as impressive as his bowling this series has been

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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    If someone took 40 wickets next season at 20 would you keep Lyon?
    Without an SCG dust bowl or a Warne reincarnation how would that happen?


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    2014/15 Shield Lyon 23wkt @ 29 (11 matches)
    Agar 31 @ 30.5 (9 matches)
    Ahmed 48 @ 24.8 (11 matches)

    It probably wouldn't Tangles, but it doesn't really change my point. I guess I just miss Warnie, not the **** in the commentary box, just the bowler
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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    I stand corrected and am disappointed in myself for not knowing that. His 7 for in India wasn't as impressive as his bowling this series has been
    those are actually SOK's numbers

    Not saying Lyon should be dropped, but I don't think Ahmed or Agar should go to Bangladesh

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    o'Keefe's been bowling well for awhile too. I too don't think Lyon should be dropped, but yes O'Keefe is a very good option

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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    Agar's one possible option. He earned 3 extra wickets that weren't given to him last time in England, the most obvious being Stuart Broad. He's not beating down the door to an extent to usurp Lyon if Lyon keeps up his bowling as he has. However, if someone does light up the FC scene I would toss Lyon to the curb without a second thought at this stage.
    People really don't realise what a good bowler Lyon is and how much better our attack has been since he's been our spinner. He's unobtrusive and not as marketable as others, but geez he's been steady, mostly tight, and at times he's been really really good. I'd hate to see him replaced by someone like Agar "just cos".
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    Definitely, Lyon's the incumbent and nobody has done enough to take the spot off him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    2014/15 Shield Lyon 23wkt @ 29 (11 matches)
    Agar 31 @ 30.5 (9 matches)
    Ahmed 48 @ 24.8 (11 matches)

    It probably wouldn't Tangles, but it doesn't really change my point. I guess I just miss Warnie, not the **** in the commentary box, just the bowler
    Do those statistics not prove that those 2 are not obviously better than Lyon. If you take that one season out for Ahmed he's nowhere near as impressive either.

    The best stats based spinner hasn't even entered the conversation yet ffs.
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    Hasn't Lyon been the most consistent bowler we've had this series? I haven't seen a lot of the matches and they've been bowling to crap totals, but I've thought he's bowled ok from what I've seen. Has kept things pretty tight and picked up decent returns along the way.
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    Never understood why Lyon has always had a question mark next to his name.

    He's no Shane Warne, but he's absolutely good enough to be a frontline spinner in test cricket.

    Ahmed probably blew his chance of getting in the test side by getting battered in the tour matches. When Australia go two spinners they'll pick Agar. He's far younger, and a much better batsman.
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    Warner

    Smith
    Smarsh (yeah he's a bit crap but he'll do for a couple of years)
    No idea
    MMarsh
    Nevill
    Starc
    Johnson/Siddle*
    Lyon
    Hazlewood

    *I'll explain this one: Johnson would be my first choice for now, particularly in Australia. However, should he call it a day/the selectors decide to move on then I think there's a lot of value in Siddle as a dependable bowler with a lot of Test experience while the selectors figure out how to get Cummins playing without breaking him. Once Cummins gets a decent Shield season under his belt, possibly even a County stint along with the odd Test here and there, Starc and Hazlewood are 10-15 Tests more experienced (and hopefully Starc will have developed a 3rd stock ball to go with his "magic full swinging ball" and "pie" that are his 2 stock deliveries) and Siddle can be thanked, moved aside for Cummins and kept around the team as an experienced backup that the younger, better quicks can look up to and learn from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Hasn't Lyon been the most consistent bowler we've had this series? I haven't seen a lot of the matches and they've been bowling to crap totals, but I've thought he's bowled ok from what I've seen. Has kept things pretty tight and picked up decent returns along the way.
    Been comfortably the best bowler in your side. The only reliable one all series and the only one who comes out of it with an enhanced reputation. Not his fault the batting failed so often to leave him with a thankless task. Has done all he could and impressed me this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Warner

    Smith
    Smarsh (yeah he's a bit crap but he'll do for a couple of years)
    No idea
    MMarsh
    Nevill
    Starc
    Johnson/Siddle*
    Lyon
    Hazlewood

    *I'll explain this one: Johnson would be my first choice for now, particularly in Australia. However, should he call it a day/the selectors decide to move on then I think there's a lot of value in Siddle as a dependable bowler with a lot of Test experience while the selectors figure out how to get Cummins playing without breaking him. Once Cummins gets a decent Shield season under his belt, possibly even a County stint along with the odd Test here and there, Starc and Hazlewood are 10-15 Tests more experienced (and hopefully Starc will have developed a 3rd stock ball to go with his "magic full swinging ball" and "pie" that are his 2 stock deliveries) and Siddle can be thanked, moved aside for Cummins and kept around the team as an experienced backup that the younger, better quicks can look up to and learn from.
    Solid post

    Oz have a number of players that could potentially develop into solid/outstanding test cricketers (e.g. Burns, Lynn, Pattinson, Cummins, MMarsh) but hard heads are in short supply

    BUT please no SMarsh - tried and failed

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