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    Quote Originally Posted by halba View Post
    whilst i admit he wont be dropped, the other batsmen bar warner will never play test cricket again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    Ashton takes a step closer to recall, I wish he hadn't been dropped in the first place, but Lyon will have to up his practice hours
    What's Lyon done wrong as a test bowler?

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    Agar is a painfully average spinner. No idea why anyone would want to drop Lyon who has caused problems all series long and is generally pretty economical
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    Halba you are a dumbass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Hill View Post
    What's Lyon done wrong as a test bowler?
    Lyon's got his spot, I'm ok with him in the side. Just mean he, like the pace bowlers has to keep up his practice to stay ahead of the competition. I also hate when he bowls darts on leg stump line. He still leaks runs doing this, so hopefully he keeps on tossing it up, as he has been this series.
    Agar was hitting the right spots too though. Had a few golden chances go down in his tests, he can bat and field better than Lyon as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    Lyon's got his spot, I'm ok with him in the side. Just mean he, like the pace bowlers has to keep up his practice to stay ahead of the competition. I also hate when he bowls darts on leg stump line. He still leaks runs doing this, so hopefully he keeps on tossing it up, as he has been this series.
    Agar was hitting the right spots too though. Had a few golden chances go down in his tests, he can bat and field better than Lyon as well.
    I really shouldn't be getting into this conversation because I think it is an absolute joke. But I'd really like to nitpick here and suggest that Agar being an upgrade in the field is talking out of your ass. I can recall one or two drops from Lyon but overall he's absolutely superb in the field, especially for a spin bowler. Several great snares as a close in fielder, including a few at leg gully and some of his outfield work has duly made its way into timeless highlight reels.

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    If you are a bowler who bats at #11 people will just assume you're ****e in the field too.

    It's strangely opposite to the equal wicket keeper fallacy
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    I don't think he's rubbish, but from what I've seen Agar is a better fielder. Lyon has taken some great catches but so has Agar. Both have similar FC records bowling. Neither has consistently lit up the field in that sense. Again though, Agar's impressed me more with flight and hitting the right areas. Lyon's bowling this Ashes has done the job and as an Aussie I hope he takes a lot more Pommy wickets

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    Lyon's FC record is terrible when you remove his Tests. But judging a Test bowler on his FC record instead of his Test one is, well, bizarre.

    Agree that Agar is probably a slightly better fieldsman, but Lyon's certainly well above average in the field too.
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    Has Agar learned to bowl then? He looked worse than a part timer last time he played.

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    Agar's one possible option. He earned 3 extra wickets that weren't given to him last time in England, the most obvious being Stuart Broad. He's not beating down the door to an extent to usurp Lyon if Lyon keeps up his bowling as he has. However, if someone does light up the FC scene I would toss Lyon to the curb without a second thought at this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Lyon's FC record is terrible when you remove his Tests. But judging a Test bowler on his FC record instead of his Test one is, well, bizarre.

    Agree that Agar is probably a slightly better fieldsman, but Lyon's certainly well above average in the field too.
    Judging Australian offies on their domestics is pretty stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    Agar's one possible option. He earned 3 extra wickets that weren't given to him last time in England, the most obvious being Stuart Broad. He's not beating down the door to an extent to usurp Lyon if Lyon keeps up his bowling as he has. However, if someone does light up the FC scene I would toss Lyon to the curb without a second thought at this stage.
    Like a Leggie getting a lot of wickets in the Shield final and padding his tally for the season?

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    Haha no I wouldn't have taken Ahmed based on that one match. Although cleaning up the tail + a few top order scalps was good to see. I have the feeling he'll bowl in Bangladesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    However, if someone does light up the FC scene I would toss Lyon to the curb without a second thought at this stage.
    This is seriously so weird.
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