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    I remember Bairstows batting being a horrid liability. Doubt the Aussies would be fazed by his inclusion.

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    Bell and Ballance have to go. Bell is horribly out of confidence and Ballance is just plain dire.

    Only question is who to bring in at 3....I suspect Bairstow would be next in line, but after that.....perhaps England go funky and pick Moeen at 3?
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    funky is just another way of saying stupid.

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    Ballance got such a snorter today. England didn't lose because of their batting blues, they lost it in the head. Ballance is the only one who isn't good enough as of now, and Bairstow ain't gonna fix that. Though he may score more runs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    Moeen yes. He's bowling a hell of lot but doesn't look dangerous and is too expensive. I don't think Wood is a Test bowler either yet, but there's sod all to replace him with.
    Honestly thought he's bowling somewhat decent. People always think that if the quicks are doing ****-all the spinner should be reaping the wickets but the pitch was **** for spinners for the majority of the match really. Also hard to exert pressure when you haven't got the runs on the board or the quicks to exert pressure with.

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    This thread is harsh on Ballance tbh. He got vital runs in the first test and the delivery that got him in the first innings stayed pretty low. He looks pretty bad I agree but if anyone's got to go, it's Bell. He's been atrocious for ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antihippy View Post
    Honestly thought he's bowling somewhat decent. People always think that if the quicks are doing ****-all the spinner should be reaping the wickets but the pitch was **** for spinners for the majority of the match really. Also hard to exert pressure when you haven't got the runs on the board or the quicks to exert pressure with.
    Moeen bashing is the in thing, I obviously am a fan, but to say he deserves dropping after playing a pivotal role in the last Test win seems harsh, but ho-hum. As you say not like he did much worse than our other bowlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Moeen bashing is the in thing, I obviously am a fan, but to say he deserves dropping after playing a pivotal role in the last Test win seems harsh, but ho-hum. As you say not like he did much worse than our other bowlers.
    He's just not a Test bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lillian Thomson View Post
    He's just not a Test bowler.
    He is a Test bowler.

    This is fun isn't it, making definitive statements that are opinions?

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    Nah, I definitely do think he needs to be more consistent before I consider him a full-time test spinner. I think he definitely has the tools to be a pretty good one though. He's like between part-timer and full-timer to me.

    Absolutely lethal to left-handed batsmen for whatever reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    He is a Test bowler.

    This is fun isn't it, making definitive statements that are opinions?
    I'm not interested in the "opinion as fact" discussion. If I, or anyone else, say someone's not a Test bowler it can only be an opinion and doesn't need to be specifically presented as such.

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    He has got an awful lot of work to do, even his biggest supporters know that but all those that want a 'proper' spinner can't name one.

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    I actually don't think I'd make any changes. That's not to say England don't have problems, but I'm not a fan of punitive droppings for poor performance; the replacements have to actually be likely to do better to make changes a good idea. I see no sense in dropping Ballance for Bairstow unless Bairstow has made serious adjustments as they both have glaring technical weaknesses but the former scores Test runs when they're not exploited while the latter has never done so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    He has got an awful lot of work to do, even his biggest supporters know that but all those that want a 'proper' spinner can't name one.
    Indeed, but he puts revs on the ball, so is a wicket-taking option, he's done it throughout his Test career, get's top quality bats out. He does bowl too many four-balls though I'll freely admit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    He has got an awful lot of work to do, even his biggest supporters know that but all those that want a 'proper' spinner can't name one.
    Of course they can't, because there isn't one available. That's why I said in my first post on the subject that certain players shouldn't be in the Test side but there's no one else deserving to take their place.

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