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    Yeah the makeup of our team doesn't quite work at the moment which is annoying.

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    Ali is personally my favourite to watch bat in the whole England team next to Root ofc

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_mister View Post
    Ali is personally my favourite to watch bat in the whole England team next to Root ofc
    He has complete license to swing at 8 which has been great for him. He may well be playing in the top 6 in the UAE depending on the make up of the team so he'll obviously have to wheel it in a bit.

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    Rogers 8 - probably the most consistent bat on either side. Mostly succeeded when Australia needed it bar Trent Bridge. Will be missed up the order.
    Warner 6.5 - 5 fifties looks good on paper, especially when they come in every Test, but too often were they basically irrelevant. Far too prone to playing really daft shots up the order.
    Smith 7.5 - the good thing with Smith is that when he got a good start he went on with it to make a big score. That said, he had issues outside off stump and him shuffling across the crease hardly inspired confidence. Will be interesting to see how he handles full-time captaincy.
    Clarke 1 -
    Voges 3.5 - managed 2 fifties at the end of the series but it was too little, too late. What was worse was getting out the same way in pretty much every innings. May have done enough to survive the axe given retirements for Australia but he'll only have himself to blame if he gets dropped.
    Watson 4 - his lone Test was pretty much watson.txt. Right call to move on although even a cute 30 or 40 would've looked good at Edgbatson or Trent Bridge.
    Haddin 2 - perhaps set the tone for the series by dropping Root. Was also in really bad form with the bat. Him being dropped wasn't in great circumstances but it was the right call.
    Johnson 5 - bowled very well at Lord's, but otherwise was pretty patchy. A few good balls here and there but continued his struggles in (admittedly) unfavourable conditions for him. Given Australia's bowling options in reserve, as well as Starc generally outbowling him, is it time to move on?
    Starc 6 - he's not going to be a beacon of consistency so you shouldn't really ask him to. 2 Michelle's and 2 fifties with the bat (one crucial) makes for a pretty decent series. Still needs a good stock ball with the red ball, though.
    Hazlewood 5.5 - more disappointing than awful, realistically. Bowled quite good at Cardiff and Lord's but struggled in Tests where he had to defend low scores and tried too hard for magic balls, getting the line wrong. He lacked control, however. Will learn from the experience and come back a better bowler.
    Lyon 7.5 - the most solid bowler for Australia. Aside from some struggles at Trent Bridge (where he got few overs, tbf) generally bowled pretty well all series.
    M Marsh 5 - not good enough yet to bat Top 6, but there is something there. Bowled pretty good for mine, at Lord's took key wickets and bowled excellently at The Oval.
    Nevill 5 - solid, I guess. Kept well enough and got some starts with the bat. Circumstances of his dismissals were ugly though and he'll want to work on that.
    S Marsh 1 - maybe deserved more than one Test, but in English conditions he was unlikely to succeed batting 4 and so it proved. Looked all at sea and it's probably time to move on.
    Siddle 8 - arguably should've been playing all along. Was exactly what Australia needed all series with the ball - control and patience.

    Cook 7 - with the bat looked in pretty good nick all series but too often failed to kick on and had well-documented struggles with Nathan Lyon. Was surprisingly good as a captain though and this gives him bonus marks.
    Lyth 1 - was awful. Isn't Test standard, and even despite a lack of opening depth in England there has to be better options.
    Ballance 3 - runs at Cardiff were actually pretty important, but otherwise looked out of his depth. I doubt he'd have managed to score significant runs if he was picked for the rest of the series.
    Bell 5 - managed 3 fifties which were in fairly important circumstances, but failed to kick on with those innings and struggled elsewhere. Given he's batted poorly for the large part of 2 years, is it time to move on?
    Root 8.5 - deserved Compton Medalist. Maybe you could argue that he struggled when England weren't on top, but he played a key role (especially at Cardiff) to get them there. Was probably the best bat on either side in bowler-friendly conditions.
    Stokes 6.5 - couple of good innings early on, but struggled for the rest of the series with the bat. Was excellent with the ball at Trent Bridge but otherwise was fairly ordinary.
    Buttler 4 - kept well, but looked out of his depth with the bat and seemed in general to lack the hunger to fight.
    Ali 6.5 - interesting. Batted better than he bowled for the most part, but still managed to take some crucial wickets despite looking more like a part-timer for much of the series. With the bat was pretty loose but still scored important runs. I'm skeptical of his longetivity as a Test player but he was good here.
    Broad 9 - superb. Barring the last Test never bowled badly, capping it off with a brutal spell of seam bowling at Trent Bridge. Also showed some surprising application with the bat.
    Wood 5 - he bowled some very good deliveries and showed potential but lacked consistency, for mine and didn't have the right kind of tricks for these conditions. Batted well.
    Anderson 7 - a trundler at Lord's on an unfavourable wicket, but was very good elsewhere. Heaven knows how many wickets he would've taken at Trent Bridge if he was fit.
    Bairstow 5 - one good innings, which came after England already claimed a first innings lead, and not much else. Jury still out for mine.
    Finn 7 - was damn good at Edgbatson but was pretty average elsewhere. Impressively was not dismissed all series.
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    Rogers 9 - Couldn't ask more of an opener than what Rogers gave this series. Loses a point for occasionally sloppy fielding and getting out at Trent Bridge.
    Warner 7.5 - Had a very good series, though threw his wickets away once set. When he got out early it was genuinely to good balls.
    Smith 8 - Good series for Smith and grew as a batsman as the series went on. Top run scorer but that was misleading as his runs really came from two tests only.
    Clarke 2 - Had a mixed series as captain. Very good in the field but poor at motivating off-field. Terrible with the bat and made some very woeful drops in the slips.
    Voges 3.5 - "managed 2 fifties at the end of the series but it was too little, too late. What was worse was getting out the same way in pretty much every innings. May have done enough to survive the axe given retirements for Australia but he'll only have himself to blame if he gets dropped." - completely agree with Morgie's assessment.
    Watson 2 - His dropping was a long time coming.
    Haddin 2 - probably shouldn't have played the first test. Was dropped in a poor manner but fairly.
    Johnson 6 - Bowled better than he was given credit for. Toiled hard on wickets that didn't suit him. The team doesn't look balanced with both him and Starc in it.
    Starc 5 - Despite his wickets, he bowled poorly releasing a lot of pressure at key points. The occasional jaffa shouldn't be reason to keep him in the side. I'd say he should be dropped for Bangladesh.
    Hazlewood 6 - For a guy touted as Australia's next McGrath, he was woeful at times and ok at other times. I think he would be much more comfortable with Siddle at the other end. He could work more on his control then.
    Lyon 9 - Australia's best bowler this series by a long way. He's really matured as a bowler.
    M Marsh 6 - Added much needed control to the bowling attack at times. His absence at Trent Bridge went very much noticed when we were struggling for control. Any side that has both Starc and Johnson needs Marsh. Loses points for being terrible with the bat.
    Nevill 6 - Did what could reasonably be asked of a guy new to test cricket. I'd expect a bit more from him in the future though.
    S Marsh 1 - Really don't want him to play for Australia again. Proven failure at first class and test level.
    Siddle 9 - Siddle's spell of 1-1 was the best spell of test match bowling I've seen in a long time. Deserved way more wickets in that spell and reminded me of McGrath. Has booked himself on a ticket to Bangladesh.

    Cook 7 - Was poor at times but made runs when they were really needed. Captaincy was good until he sent Australia in.
    Lyth 1 - Waste of space. As an Aussie, he gave me a sense of confidence that we could get a few cheap wickets.
    Ballance 3 - probably harshly done by considering the faith shown to Lyth. Not outstanding though.
    Bell 5 - Out of form and yet still managed runs at key times. Was better than Australia's middle order with the bat.
    Root 9.5 - Won the series for England with the bat. When he failed, England failed. He only really failed once before the dead rubber as well.
    Stokes 7.5 - Showed a lot of good signs with both bat and ball. Also was run out in the ugliest fashion I've seen.
    Buttler 7 - Decent keeper. Decent bat, though I'd expect a bit more output in future.
    Ali 8.5 - Next to Root, Ali was the best English bat and constantly frustrated us when he was in. Took some key wickets too. Was the best all-rounder in the series.
    Broad 9 - Won a key test with one of the best spells you'll see. Always looked to be England's most threatening bowler.
    Wood 5 - Was rightly dropped at one point. Disappointing from an English perspective, though bowled a few really good balls to take some key wickets.
    Anderson 8 - English conditions specialist. Would have been very disappointed to miss the last two tests to injury.
    Bairstow 5 - Barely remember him playing. Wasn't the best but was far from the worst.
    Finn 7 - Good bowler on his day, mediocre bowler most of the time. Reminds me a bit of Lee or Harmison.

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    Wood was never dropped

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Wood was never dropped
    He was dropped for Finn at Edgbaston. Or was that an injury?

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    Hazelwood was disappointing compared to preseries hype, but I don't think he was terrible. People saying he will be the new McGrath should remember how McGrath fared in his first Ashes series in 94-95 at home.

    Anyway, fair play to England who took the momentum on offer and ran with it better than Australia. I agree with the general consensus that this was a poor standard series. Neither side capable of fighting back when the other gets on top, and both teams having massive issues with their batting, a couple of players aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    He was dropped for Finn at Edgbaston. Or was that an injury?
    Yeah, injury.

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    I've read some random ratings all over the internet. To some degree it's not too hard to agree on many players' perfromances. What I really find hard to understand, is why Hazlewood gets very very poor ratings. Gaeme Swann had him on 3,5 out of 10, I think!. I won't advocate he was brilliant, but he was decent enough. It's not his fault he was hyped.
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    Hazlewood felt like Finn in 2010/11 to me. Took his wickets but as the series went on got worse and worse. His bowling at Trent Bridge in helpful conditions was atrocious.
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    Yeah it doesn't really cut it to just compare the respective figures of the Aussie fast bowlers. Hazlewood was picked specifically to get the job done on the types of pitches that Australia lost 3 games on. And OK the majority of the blame for the losses should go to the batsmen, but he still bowled quite badly in those games. Clarke would have looked at the cloud cover in Cardiff or the grass on the pitch at Edgbaston and thought "this is a situation for Hazlewood". It was his turn to perform and he didn't do it.

    He shouldn't be ranked lower than Johnson though. I love Johnson, but he really didn't bowl very well, bar the occasional reminder of what he's like when he does. I think on balance Starc, Lyon, Marsh and Siddle all did at least what was expected of them, but Johnson and Hazlewood didn't.

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    How come sometimes scoring runs when you're losing is considered meaningless but on some occasions it's given extra credit for being the only person to stand up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    How come sometimes scoring runs when you're losing is considered meaningless but on some occasions it's given extra credit for being the only person to stand up?
    Depends when they're scored. The 2nd innings runs scored at Trent Bridge for example are completely meaningless because the game was well lost by then.

    Someone like Dravid in 2011 for example, scored the majority of his runs in the 1st innings when the games were very much alive (and by rights should have batted India into a winning position at Trent Bridge.)

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    Broad being well overrated at a 9+ by some on here. His spell at Trent Bridge was outstanding, but if you weren't to count that, he bowled at roughly the same average as Starc.

    Obviously in rating his series performance it's not 'fair' to exclude his best figures, but it's useful as a guide to series performance to note that he was hardly bang on every time.

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