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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Jono's correct.
    sig that mate @jono
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Do you mean this game?
    Actually I think I may have been thinking about this game. Handy knock by the Australian number 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcuss View Post
    I like the idea of a nightwatchman and as Jono said in many circumstances it can work. Steyn did it not long ago against India and got a good 40 odd putting on almost 100 with Kallis the next day. Someone like Jimmy Anderson isn't really capable of that in my eyes and I much preferred it when we chose Bresnan to do it at Lord's earlier in the summer... even if he did basically stonewall.
    I completely agree that if you're going to use a NWM you should pick someone with the ability not only to block but also to cause some mayhem next morning, rather than hand the initiative to the opposition. Which is precisely what Anderson and Hoggard before him have done for many years for England. Just so negative.


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    I reckon it's a good tactic, you just need the right bloke to put in there. Blokes who show balls when they bat, like Gillespie or Lyon.

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    Anderson was managed to get to stumps 21/23 times

    Batting position, overs at crease - batsmen out - balls faced with batsmen in until stumps - and protecting batsmen (runs that batsmen went on to make)

    3 - 4.2-19.4 - Strauss - 12 balls with Cook - Vaughan (11)
    3 - 0.5-10.3 - Cook - 10 balls with Vaughan - Bell (74)
    4 - 22.5-46.4 - Vaughan - 2 balls with Cook - KP (13)
    7 - 83.4-110.4 - Strauss - 17 balls with Flintoff - Prior (53)
    7 - 71.2-84.0 - Pietersen - 6 balls with Flintoff - Prior (2)
    5 - 90.0-93.5 - Strauss - 14 balls with Pietersen - Collingwood (113)
    3 - 4.4-19.5 - Strauss - 13 balls with Cook - Shah (14)
    4 - 86.0-96.3 - Bopara - 16 balls with Cook - Pietersen (49)
    8 - 86.5-102.4 - Flintoff - 13 balls with Prior - Broad (19)
    6 - 28.1-32.3 - Collingwood - 7 with Cook - Prior (22)
    3 - 1.3-8.1 - Strauss - 15 balls with Cook - Trott (69)
    5 - 47.3-62.0 - Pietersen 15 balls with Trott - Collingwood (40)
    3 - 0.5-11.1 - Strauss - 12 balls with Cook - Trott (36)
    6 - 26.0-30.5 - Trott - 1 ball Collingwood - Bell (16)
    5 - 43.3-48.0 - Pietersen - 15 balls with Cook - Collingwood (13)
    3 - 19.2-20.0 - Strauss - 5 balls with Cook - Trott (203)
    6 - 46.4-48.0 - Pietersen - 3 balls with Bell - Morgan (71)
    5 - 117.1-122.5 - Pietersen - 18 balls with Bell - Morgan (1)
    8 - 38.1-43.0 - Prior - 18 balls with Strauss - Broad (4)
    3 - 1.3-OUT (Roach) - Strauss - 4 balls with Cook - Trott (13)
    3 - 13.4-OUT (Ojha) - Compton - 6 balls with Cook - Trott (0)
    9 - 84.4-93.3 - Prior - 16 balls with Bresnan - Broad (33)
    3 - 3.4-9.4 - Carberry - 10 balls with Cook - Bell (2)

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    3 - 84.6-152.4 - Cook - 202 balls with Compton, Trott, Pietersen, Bell - Trott (52)
    5 - 48.4-52.1 - Cook - 3 balls with Bell - Root (29)
    7 - 55.5-59.5 - Prior - 14 balls with Trott and Bell - Bell (6)

    Bresnan
    5 - 14.6-61.3 - Pietersen - 15 balls with Root - Bell (74)
    3 - 23.5 -OUT (Siddle) - Root - 13 balls with Cook - Trott (5)
    7 - 67.6-92.6 - Bairstow - 21 balls with Bell - Prior (0)
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    The one where he turned down the single then Collingwood (i think) got out was the absolute best.
    The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins View Post
    The one where he turned down the single then Collingwood (i think) got out was the absolute best.
    Pure gold

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    I'd like to see evidence of their claims on things like
    "Do teams use nightwatchmen more when pitch conditions are worse? There is no real evidence for this, and unsuccessful team are no more or less likely to use nightwatchmen than successful teams"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    I think Middlesex under Brearley used to do this on occasion.
    There's something to this I think- assuming the logic to having a nightwatchman is sound, why is it only applied at the end of the day? If you're expecting a short period of play when batting is a bit of a lottery- not exactly unheard of- you might not want your best batsmen to come to the crease first. A bit like a less extreme version of the reverse-batting-order trick from the days of uncovered wickets.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    They'd be a lunchwatchman, not a nightwatchman.
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    Eoin Morgan on being given a rice cooker for being Man of the Match in a Dhaka Premier Division game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    They'd be a lunchwatchman, not a nightwatchman.
    Well thank **** you're here to point this out. Jesus H Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    They'd be a lunchwatchman
    Reckon Mark Cosgrove would make extensive use of this.
    Jono likes this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromLancs View Post
    And the whole thing reeks of superstition and metaphysical solutions
    well yeah. that's cricket.
    Indians can't bowl - Where has the rumour come from as I myself and many indian friends arwe competent fast bowlers ?

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    You are downplaying the psychological aspect. A batsmen will not want to come in and face 5 overs, there is no chance to build a score of any real note and all that can happen is he gets out. This weighing on there mind will have an effect.

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