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    re post 14: Interesting. And as fred points out an important part of the picture is whether the NWM succeeds in lasting till the close or not.

    I'd feel a bit better about it if the man selected for the job wasn't a complete tailender but someone with the ability and willingness to play an attacking innings the next day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyFromLancs View Post
    There was an article I read on the stats a month back.

    IIRC it said the average for a nightwatchman since 1980 was 12 as a nightwatchman, and 14 in his proper position.

    I'll try find it
    It's obviously going to be harder for a number 10 etc. to bat at the top of the order.
    The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.

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    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins View Post
    It's obviously going to be harder for a number 10 etc. to bat at the top of the order.
    Too right it is!
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    Yeah so a drop in average of 2 runs isn't a sign that it's a failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adders View Post
    Is that your standard response to someone who happens to share a different opinion to you?

    GFL, I agree with you, hate the idea and always have. One of the first things Andrew Strauss wanted to address as captain was the use of nightwatchmen as he wasn't in favour either. He raised it at a team meeting and got shot down from all corners........apparently it's never been discussed since.
    No doubt from self-interested batsmen

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    @ Riggins -

    A fair point - it's a reflection of the fact that he's being played out of position. The real reasons why it's (generally) a bad tactic are different and have already been touched on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins View Post
    Yeah so a drop in average of 2 runs isn't a sign that it's a failure.
    There are other reasons, as mentioned above

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    @ Riggins -

    A fair point - it's a reflection of the fact that he's being played out of position. The real reasons why it's (generally) a bad tactic are different and have already been touched on.
    Yea I understand the arguments for both sides and I don't really have a concrete opinion either way, just play it by the situation. I was just pointing out that the tailender's batting average is in no way evidence against it, particularly when the nightwatchman making a duck the next morning would still be seen as a success.

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    I think there are times when it's a worthy tactic but that we use it almost by default. I mean we used one for Broad in the summer ffs, and I think against New Zealand when we had a massive lead batting in the 3rd innings?

    Personally agree with it being used in circumstances like the 1st innings here though it does leave the scorecard awfully lopsided the next day. Mind you, our batsmen do that for us anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins View Post
    Yea I understand the arguments for both sides and I don't really have a concrete opinion either way, just play it by the situation. I was just pointing out that the tailender's batting average is in no way evidence against it, particularly when the nightwatchman making a duck the next morning would still be seen as a success.
    A batsman's exact position in the order can be debated for months, only then for all discussions to be rendered redundant by sending in a nightwatchman

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    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins View Post
    What?
    He's referring to the Bell at 3 debate presumably

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    So the argument against night watchmen is that it makes it slightly less easy to assess players stats at a specific position?

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